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The issue with the water analogy is that the "water" that the men receive is from the same source as for women therefore is just as salty. But the broader poin

The issue with the water analogy is that the "water" that the men receive is from the same source as for women therefore is just as salty. But the broader point is true that dating sucks for everyone, men end up feeling undesirable and women feel objectified and dehumanized.

lotsofpulp 4y ago
Hence the solution of relying on matchmakers in one’s network, such as parents, friends, cousins, aunts/uncles, grandparents, colleague, etc. They will somewhat know the dating candidate, and they will have skin in the game via their reputation to present somewhat viable options so it is not as high of a chance of rejection. However, this depends on having access to vast (good) networks, either directly or indirectly.
thaumasiotes 4y ago
> The issue with the water analogy is that the "water" that the men receive is from the same source as for women therefore is just as salty. Well, the other issue is that being lost at sea is much better than being lost in a waterless desert. You can't drink the seawater, but you don't die of thirst while you're lost at sea.
- burnished 4y ago
  Yes, you do die of thirst if lost at sea. You can't drink the water, and if you do it just makes you thirsty/sick.
  - snovv_crash 4y ago
    Interestingly, you can drink 60%fresh / 40%sea water. So if you're on a lifeboat you can make your fresh water rations last almost twice as long.
  - thaumasiotes 4y ago
    > Yes, you do die of thirst if lost at sea. You can't drink the water You say that as if I hadn't already pointed it out. Being unable to drink the water doesn't mean you die of thirst while at sea. There are many well-documented examples of people surviving at sea for much longer than it would take to die of thirst. It doesn't matter that you can't drink seawater; you can get water in other ways. But in the desert, you'll die.
    - godelski 4y ago
      I think you're confusing what's happening. People die of thirst faster in the desert because deserts are generally hot and dry, so you sweat profusely. Meaning you are going to lose your store of internal water faster. Also, I think you're just taking an analogy made way too literally. Analogies are messy but used to help illustrate a point. They do require one to read the intent of the speaker more than the literal words used.
      - thaumasiotes 4y ago
        > I think you're confusing what's happening. Why do you think that? You don't die of thirst when lost at sea. You can survive indefinitely there. You can't drink straight seawater, but that doesn't matter because water is available by other means.
        godelski 4y ago
        >> I think you're confusing what's happening. > Why do you think that? Because > You don't die of thirst when lost at sea. You can survive indefinitely there. Is a objectively false statement that is trivial to verify by a quick google search or anyone who has spent any reasonable amount of time in or around an ocean. > You can't drink straight seawater, but that doesn't matter because water is available by other means. And those means are...? If you're floating in the ocean, good luck distilling the water. Idk if you've ever tried to distill water before, but it isn't as easy as the movies make it look. Trust me, I've done simulated survival exercises both on land and in the ocean. Or don't trust me and just google it.

lotsofpulp 4y ago

Hence the solution of relying on matchmakers in one’s network, such as parents, friends, cousins, aunts/uncles, grandparents, colleague, etc. They will somewhat know the dating candidate, and they will have skin in the game via their reputation to present somewhat viable options so it is not as high of a chance of rejection. However, this depends on having access to vast (good) networks, either directly or indirectly.

thaumasiotes 4y ago

> The issue with the water analogy is that the "water" that the men receive is from the same source as for women therefore is just as salty. Well, the other issue is that being lost at sea is much better than being lost in a waterless desert. You can't drink the seawater, but you don't die of thirst while you're lost at sea.

burnished 4y ago
Yes, you do die of thirst if lost at sea. You can't drink the water, and if you do it just makes you thirsty/sick.
- snovv_crash 4y ago
  Interestingly, you can drink 60%fresh / 40%sea water. So if you're on a lifeboat you can make your fresh water rations last almost twice as long.
- thaumasiotes 4y ago
  > Yes, you do die of thirst if lost at sea. You can't drink the water You say that as if I hadn't already pointed it out. Being unable to drink the water doesn't mean you die of thirst while at sea. There are many well-documented examples of people surviving at sea for much longer than it would take to die of thirst. It doesn't matter that you can't drink seawater; you can get water in other ways. But in the desert, you'll die.
  - godelski 4y ago
    I think you're confusing what's happening. People die of thirst faster in the desert because deserts are generally hot and dry, so you sweat profusely. Meaning you are going to lose your store of internal water faster. Also, I think you're just taking an analogy made way too literally. Analogies are messy but used to help illustrate a point. They do require one to read the intent of the speaker more than the literal words used.
    - thaumasiotes 4y ago
      > I think you're confusing what's happening. Why do you think that? You don't die of thirst when lost at sea. You can survive indefinitely there. You can't drink straight seawater, but that doesn't matter because water is available by other means.
      - godelski 4y ago
        >> I think you're confusing what's happening. > Why do you think that? Because > You don't die of thirst when lost at sea. You can survive indefinitely there. Is a objectively false statement that is trivial to verify by a quick google search or anyone who has spent any reasonable amount of time in or around an ocean. > You can't drink straight seawater, but that doesn't matter because water is available by other means. And those means are...? If you're floating in the ocean, good luck distilling the water. Idk if you've ever tried to distill water before, but it isn't as easy as the movies make it look. Trust me, I've done simulated survival exercises both on land and in the ocean. Or don't trust me and just google it.