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> They didn't abandon zero-COVID for another 5 months (Oct 21) when they finally admitted the data showed it didn't work. This doesn't sound right to me. I liv

by zizee 4y ago

> They didn't abandon zero-COVID for another 5 months (Oct 21) when they finally admitted the data showed it didn't work. This doesn't sound right to me. I live in Australia, and we adopted a very similar policy. Lock down migration until a large percentage of the population was vaccinated. When the vaccine was rolled out, the restrictions eased. It wasn't because "the data showed it didn't work". And fwiw "lockdown" for the most part meant restrictions on international travel. Most residents got to lead very regular lives for theozt part.

dmix 4y ago
So Auckland didnt lockdown their entire city after a single case? That's exactly what China has been repeatedly criticized for doing in Shanghai and Bejing and elsewhere (and is still doing today). Of course NZ stopped doing it after 5 months, after reviewing the data (I mean I hope they were reviewing data and evaluating the human costs). From what I can tell the initial order (after a single case) was for 7 days in Aukland and 3 days for all surrounding cities. How long it actually lasted I'm not sure, but this merely is one example of an idea that was promoted globally. You can pretend an entire city spending 7 days locked in their house, after a single COVID case in a city of 1.6 million, is not much to ask of people. But we might have different value systems.
- zizee 4y ago
  > You can pretend an entire city spending 7 days locked in their house You do understand that people were not actually locked in their houses in NZ? There were reports of people literally being locked in to their apartments in China, but don't confuse "lock down" with "locked in" when it comes to NZ. In practice lock downs (at least in Aus) were stopping people going into offices or non-essential places of business, or congregating in parks or other places. Whilst definitely an imposition on people, it wasn't equivalent to what was described as happening in China. Of course they stopped it eventually because the costs were unsustainable, and it was never intended to be a permanent solution. The whole point was to go hard at the start, get the population vaccinated, then open back up. I haven't checked recent numbers, but last time I did, the number of deaths in NZ/AU per capita were far lower than in the US. Which you might not consider worthwhile, but we might have different value systems.

by zizee 4y ago

dmix 4y ago

So Auckland didnt lockdown their entire city after a single case? That's exactly what China has been repeatedly criticized for doing in Shanghai and Bejing and elsewhere (and is still doing today). Of course NZ stopped doing it after 5 months, after reviewing the data (I mean I hope they were reviewing data and evaluating the human costs). From what I can tell the initial order (after a single case) was for 7 days in Aukland and 3 days for all surrounding cities. How long it actually lasted I'm not sure, but this merely is one example of an idea that was promoted globally. You can pretend an entire city spending 7 days locked in their house, after a single COVID case in a city of 1.6 million, is not much to ask of people. But we might have different value systems.

zizee 4y ago
> You can pretend an entire city spending 7 days locked in their house You do understand that people were not actually locked in their houses in NZ? There were reports of people literally being locked in to their apartments in China, but don't confuse "lock down" with "locked in" when it comes to NZ. In practice lock downs (at least in Aus) were stopping people going into offices or non-essential places of business, or congregating in parks or other places. Whilst definitely an imposition on people, it wasn't equivalent to what was described as happening in China. Of course they stopped it eventually because the costs were unsustainable, and it was never intended to be a permanent solution. The whole point was to go hard at the start, get the population vaccinated, then open back up. I haven't checked recent numbers, but last time I did, the number of deaths in NZ/AU per capita were far lower than in the US. Which you might not consider worthwhile, but we might have different value systems.