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Turns out this guy who consistently beat all odds and pushes progress further than imagine, is just completely randomly involved in all these events, as CEO but

Turns out this guy who consistently beat all odds and pushes progress further than imagine, is just completely randomly involved in all these events, as CEO but that's just a detail. And obviously he's a fraud, there's someone else all this time really running the show, probably a lizard. Elon is brash, tough to work with and doesn't behave in upstanding ways, and I don't think I'd want to work for him; he's a jerk. But all this doesn't make wishful denial become true.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago
> Turns out this guy who consistently beat all odds Where is the Hyperloop? Since he announced it China has build 3 thousand miles of high speed rail. How many cars travelled through boring company tonnels? How many years ago was Full Self Driving meant to be released? > doesn't behave in upstanding ways He was sued for sexual harrasment, unfair dismissal, dangerous working conditions, defamation, reneging on signed contract, by SEC for lying to investors, and countless others. If an average person broke this many laws, their life would be ruined.
- AYBABTME 4y ago
  Yes, isn't that all proof that he's clearly not just a mere average joe? Everyone fails, he fails less than most all of us, and he does really daring things. We can dislike him all we want for all his flaws, he's going to be in history books. If he wasn't so ruthless about achieving his goals, the moonshots he did achieve would have been failures as well. We can dislike someone and still recognize their impact, people aren't black or white. Nuanced opinions are possible.
  - kshacker 4y ago
    He fails less because he got lucky at some time and made his money, and then after that he acts like a bully and tries to beat down any opposition. Selling company at 420, what was he penalized? Other allegations, what did he lose? If there was a genuine fear of him losing something substantial, I am pretty sure his attitude will change. No one is questioning his impact, but the people do question and have the right to question the methods. But we live in a corrupt system, we can point fingers in many directions, and rightly so. He is just one of a breed.
    - brandonagr2 4y ago
      Why should he lose something for _allegations_? Don't we live in a society based on the concept of innocent until proven guilty?
      - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
        he lost multiple lawsuits, and the penalties were pitifull
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  - BeefWellington 4y ago
    > Yes, isn't that all proof that he's clearly not just a mere average joe? I'm not sure anyone ever considered him the average joe. He was born into privilege for a start.
- brandonagr2 4y ago
  Why do you think the hyperloop should be anywhere? It was just an idea Elon threw out there for someone else to build, not a project he tried to build. (Don't confuse Boring Co Loop in vegas with an attempt to build high speed partial vacuum tunnel at human scale) You are right that he is not an average person.

ClumsyPilot 4y ago

> Turns out this guy who consistently beat all odds Where is the Hyperloop? Since he announced it China has build 3 thousand miles of high speed rail. How many cars travelled through boring company tonnels? How many years ago was Full Self Driving meant to be released? > doesn't behave in upstanding ways He was sued for sexual harrasment, unfair dismissal, dangerous working conditions, defamation, reneging on signed contract, by SEC for lying to investors, and countless others. If an average person broke this many laws, their life would be ruined.

AYBABTME 4y ago
Yes, isn't that all proof that he's clearly not just a mere average joe? Everyone fails, he fails less than most all of us, and he does really daring things. We can dislike him all we want for all his flaws, he's going to be in history books. If he wasn't so ruthless about achieving his goals, the moonshots he did achieve would have been failures as well. We can dislike someone and still recognize their impact, people aren't black or white. Nuanced opinions are possible.
- kshacker 4y ago
  He fails less because he got lucky at some time and made his money, and then after that he acts like a bully and tries to beat down any opposition. Selling company at 420, what was he penalized? Other allegations, what did he lose? If there was a genuine fear of him losing something substantial, I am pretty sure his attitude will change. No one is questioning his impact, but the people do question and have the right to question the methods. But we live in a corrupt system, we can point fingers in many directions, and rightly so. He is just one of a breed.
  - brandonagr2 4y ago
    Why should he lose something for _allegations_? Don't we live in a society based on the concept of innocent until proven guilty?
    - ClumsyPilot 4y ago
      he lost multiple lawsuits, and the penalties were pitifull
    - deleted 4y ago
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- BeefWellington 4y ago
  > Yes, isn't that all proof that he's clearly not just a mere average joe? I'm not sure anyone ever considered him the average joe. He was born into privilege for a start.
brandonagr2 4y ago
Why do you think the hyperloop should be anywhere? It was just an idea Elon threw out there for someone else to build, not a project he tried to build. (Don't confuse Boring Co Loop in vegas with an attempt to build high speed partial vacuum tunnel at human scale) You are right that he is not an average person.