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Jobs was pettier than Musk and by most measures and opinions he was also very successful in leading his companies --and so is Musk. Successful leaders aren't u

by mc32 4y ago

Jobs was pettier than Musk and by most measures and opinions he was also very successful in leading his companies --and so is Musk. Successful leaders aren't usually nice. Some have been and some are, but that's more atypical. Often leaders in order to lead to best competitors at times have to be harsh.

cmrdporcupine 4y ago
Say what you want about Jobs but he would have respected and admired someone like Kasparov. (He also would not have been dumb enough to buy something like Twitter) Anyways, this convo right here -- along with the thread one over where people are rushing over themselves to complain about someone going after Copilot with a lawsuit -- is peak what orangesite seems to be becoming. Deference to authority and ego, and lack of recognition of the nerd community and actual hacker culture and its history. Ew.
- girvo 4y ago
  Not to get too meta, because frankly it's kind of a boring topic, but that deference to authority has always been a part of it on here. The authority we defer to might have changed, but it's a board that grew out of startup culture: looking up to the big winners of this game was part of it's raison d'être
  - threatofrain 4y ago
    Deference to authority is simply one judgment of credibility. Another kind is one of dismissal. When you hire a lawyer or a doctor rather than studying the matter yourself, you're making a judgment on credibility. When you decide not to go to a chiropractor because they don't have a medical degree, that's a judgment on credibility.
threatofrain 4y ago
I don’t believe Jobs would be the kind of person to accuse a rescue worker of pedophilia just because he was insulted over social media. Elon double downed on the claim by elaborating just why he thought the rescue worker was a pedophile. Being accused of pedophilia by a top tier celebrity is a very dangerous position to be in. Not even Larry Ellison does things like that.

by mc32 4y ago

cmrdporcupine 4y ago

Say what you want about Jobs but he would have respected and admired someone like Kasparov. (He also would not have been dumb enough to buy something like Twitter) Anyways, this convo right here -- along with the thread one over where people are rushing over themselves to complain about someone going after Copilot with a lawsuit -- is peak what orangesite seems to be becoming. Deference to authority and ego, and lack of recognition of the nerd community and actual hacker culture and its history. Ew.

girvo 4y ago
Not to get too meta, because frankly it's kind of a boring topic, but that deference to authority has always been a part of it on here. The authority we defer to might have changed, but it's a board that grew out of startup culture: looking up to the big winners of this game was part of it's raison d'être
- threatofrain 4y ago
  Deference to authority is simply one judgment of credibility. Another kind is one of dismissal. When you hire a lawyer or a doctor rather than studying the matter yourself, you're making a judgment on credibility. When you decide not to go to a chiropractor because they don't have a medical degree, that's a judgment on credibility.

threatofrain 4y ago

I don’t believe Jobs would be the kind of person to accuse a rescue worker of pedophilia just because he was insulted over social media. Elon double downed on the claim by elaborating just why he thought the rescue worker was a pedophile. Being accused of pedophilia by a top tier celebrity is a very dangerous position to be in. Not even Larry Ellison does things like that.