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Calm down. Demand is super strong, even right now. It's almost impossible to get a decent software engineer who has a strong command of the English language and

by csomar 4y ago

Calm down. Demand is super strong, even right now. It's almost impossible to get a decent software engineer who has a strong command of the English language and can articulate himself. Most developers hitting the market with CVs are bootcamp generated and they don't have the slightest idea (and neither the interest) of what they are doing. They'll disappear as soon as the money does. Unless you have a family and live in the Bay Area, you should always be able to move to a low cost of living and wait for the recession. It'd cost much less than $30k/year to spend a year in Kuala Lumpur with all your food delivered.

tptacek 4y ago
It's almost impossible to get a decent software engineer who has a strong command of the English language and can articulate himself. No, it's not.
- csomar 4y ago
  Sure if you are a FAANG, hot startup with funding or offering $300k/year. But if you are a regular company with a normal budget, you are left with nothing. And I understand this is the market. I'm just pointing is that it's not as near bad as the previous poster has claimed.
  - rl1987 4y ago
    Does the ordinary company need professional Leetcode player that FAANGs are looking for? Or does it need someone who is about average on web development and willing to work for about average salary? Not every guy should aspire to date a supermodel and not every company should cargo-cult FAANG interview process.
    - csomar 4y ago
      Fair enough. You should be fine if you are doing regular REST/React stuff. But if you want to work on something like WASM, Rust, fine tuning Web Sockets over GraphQL, etc... then suddenly, you need an "above average" developer.
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    - emodendroket 4y ago
      Even if the form is the same the questions are easier and the evaluation more generous at lower-tier companies.
- speakfreely 4y ago
  A 5000+ person company I have consulted for is hopelessly unable to find anyone who has advanced Python ecosystem experience for less than $200k. There's lots of boring companies that pay competitive-ish salaries ($140-180k), but most people gravitate to the shiny big companies that look good on a resume.
  - tptacek 4y ago
    You don't want to hear my whole spiel on the distinction between "advanced Python ecosystem experience" and "advanced Python ecosystem ability".
    - csomar 4y ago
      The funny thing, it's a +5000 persons company. If this Software Developer is instrumental for the company, you'd think he'd be worth $40/employee. So there are developers, just companies not willing to pay them enough (even though we established that it's not really that high). I was mentioning small companies in my previous post (think 4-6 devs and maybe a dozen other employees). $100k/yerar can sometimes make it or break it. Tech developers remain inaccessible for these companies making them disadvantaged in this market. This might explain the crazy seed rounds the eco-system has been going through in the last few years. $3 million seems be the bare minimum for any startup looking to do something technical now.
      - tptacek 4y ago
        That's very silly, and false.
        anon50118810 4y ago
        To back this up: I'm an unemployed Python dev in the U.S. with a credible resume and GitHub profile, actively looking for something remote. $140k would be absolutely fine, no interest in FAANG or shiny companies, in fact for various reasons I've been looking primarily at smaller places. I'm not really worried yet and I've had some luck, but it's definitely not the case that anyone skilled can count on just walking into a job. I've been rejected out of hand where I met the essentials of the posting and had no doubt I could do the job. I'd like to hear the aforementioned spiel about the "advanced Python ecosystem," which to me could mean anything between "knows what a virtual environment is" and "ML/TensorFlow expert."
runeblaze 4y ago
Note that for some people being laid off and not quickly finding a job can mean being kicked back to whatever possibly authoritarian country they came from.
- csomar 4y ago
  Neither the companies, nor the economy is to blame for this. It's the politicians and the people who voted them who wants it this way...
  - emodendroket 4y ago
    I don't think we can say the companies have nothing to do with those policies.
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by csomar 4y ago

tptacek 4y ago

It's almost impossible to get a decent software engineer who has a strong command of the English language and can articulate himself. No, it's not.

csomar 4y ago
Sure if you are a FAANG, hot startup with funding or offering $300k/year. But if you are a regular company with a normal budget, you are left with nothing. And I understand this is the market. I'm just pointing is that it's not as near bad as the previous poster has claimed.
- rl1987 4y ago
  Does the ordinary company need professional Leetcode player that FAANGs are looking for? Or does it need someone who is about average on web development and willing to work for about average salary? Not every guy should aspire to date a supermodel and not every company should cargo-cult FAANG interview process.
  - csomar 4y ago
    Fair enough. You should be fine if you are doing regular REST/React stuff. But if you want to work on something like WASM, Rust, fine tuning Web Sockets over GraphQL, etc... then suddenly, you need an "above average" developer.
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  - emodendroket 4y ago
    Even if the form is the same the questions are easier and the evaluation more generous at lower-tier companies.
speakfreely 4y ago
A 5000+ person company I have consulted for is hopelessly unable to find anyone who has advanced Python ecosystem experience for less than $200k. There's lots of boring companies that pay competitive-ish salaries ($140-180k), but most people gravitate to the shiny big companies that look good on a resume.
- tptacek 4y ago
  You don't want to hear my whole spiel on the distinction between "advanced Python ecosystem experience" and "advanced Python ecosystem ability".
  - csomar 4y ago
    The funny thing, it's a +5000 persons company. If this Software Developer is instrumental for the company, you'd think he'd be worth $40/employee. So there are developers, just companies not willing to pay them enough (even though we established that it's not really that high). I was mentioning small companies in my previous post (think 4-6 devs and maybe a dozen other employees). $100k/yerar can sometimes make it or break it. Tech developers remain inaccessible for these companies making them disadvantaged in this market. This might explain the crazy seed rounds the eco-system has been going through in the last few years. $3 million seems be the bare minimum for any startup looking to do something technical now.
    - tptacek 4y ago
      That's very silly, and false.
      - anon50118810 4y ago
        To back this up: I'm an unemployed Python dev in the U.S. with a credible resume and GitHub profile, actively looking for something remote. $140k would be absolutely fine, no interest in FAANG or shiny companies, in fact for various reasons I've been looking primarily at smaller places. I'm not really worried yet and I've had some luck, but it's definitely not the case that anyone skilled can count on just walking into a job. I've been rejected out of hand where I met the essentials of the posting and had no doubt I could do the job. I'd like to hear the aforementioned spiel about the "advanced Python ecosystem," which to me could mean anything between "knows what a virtual environment is" and "ML/TensorFlow expert."

runeblaze 4y ago

Note that for some people being laid off and not quickly finding a job can mean being kicked back to whatever possibly authoritarian country they came from.

csomar 4y ago
Neither the companies, nor the economy is to blame for this. It's the politicians and the people who voted them who wants it this way...
- emodendroket 4y ago
  I don't think we can say the companies have nothing to do with those policies.

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