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> Microsoft Linux Man, what a time to be alive! Who would have thought it. Edit: who's extending, embracing and extinguishing now?!

CoastalCoder 4y ago
> Edit: who's extending, embracing and extinguishing now?! Still an open question, I'd say.
- 0xbadcafebee 4y ago
  Yeah, we're just now reaching the embracing. First Windows+WSL becomes the ideal dev environment, then Linux apps run natively without WSL, and then... why run a Linux kernel? After that they'll have their sights on the real prize: being the dominant browser again.
  - Godel_unicode 4y ago
    I find these kind of comments fascinating, with the juxtaposition of the late 90s OS wars from the Linux side and the complete pivot to aaS and meet people where they are from Microsoft. Be as watchful as you want, be aware that the enemy isn’t coming though.
  - yazaddaruvala 4y ago
    > First Windows+WSL becomes the ideal dev environment, then Linux apps run natively without WSL, and then... why run a Linux kernel? I think it's more like, "Why run a NT Kernel?" or from an MS internal perspective, "Why fund development and testing of an NT Kernel? We already made it so all legacy Windows apps run natively on Linux anyways"
shadowfox 4y ago
It is not like the first time they tried a Unix. Xenix was a thing in the past.
squarefoot 4y ago
Still Microsoft, although after a change of tactics. They don't want to kill Linux anymore, but something even more dangerous: controlling it by making their one the accepted corporate standard ("Nobody was ever fired for using MS Linux", etc). The day they push some proprietary or oddly licensed technology to be integrated into their Linux is the day a thousands alerts should be raised into the community. Then will come software that runs only, or runs better, on their Linux. WSL was the first step: making something with both Microsoft and Linux in its name accepted by the community.
- dotancohen 4y ago
  > The day they push some proprietary or oddly licensed technology to be integrated into their > Linux is the day a thousands alerts should be raised into the community. EFI boot?
  - lmm 4y ago
    Yep. And everything their sleeper agent Pottering wrote.
  - naikrovek 4y ago
    UEFI was created by an alliance of 12 companies, 11 of whom are not Microsoft, and Intel began the work. Again, not Microsoft. TianoCore is an open source reference implementation of UEFI maintained by Intel; there's no proprietary Microsoft stuff in there. Microsoft seek to ease development for users who either choose Windows or who are forced to use Windows by an employer. there's no "play" here, no extending or extinguishing. They want, like any reasonable developer would, a better world for software developers.
- rnd0 4y ago
  >Still Microsoft Here, here. I haven't seen anything yet that isn't straight out of the MS playbook on this.
  - zbird 4y ago
    Did you mean 'hear, hear', or is 'here, here' something I missed?
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CoastalCoder 4y ago

> Edit: who's extending, embracing and extinguishing now?! Still an open question, I'd say.

0xbadcafebee 4y ago
Yeah, we're just now reaching the embracing. First Windows+WSL becomes the ideal dev environment, then Linux apps run natively without WSL, and then... why run a Linux kernel? After that they'll have their sights on the real prize: being the dominant browser again.
- Godel_unicode 4y ago
  I find these kind of comments fascinating, with the juxtaposition of the late 90s OS wars from the Linux side and the complete pivot to aaS and meet people where they are from Microsoft. Be as watchful as you want, be aware that the enemy isn’t coming though.
- yazaddaruvala 4y ago
  > First Windows+WSL becomes the ideal dev environment, then Linux apps run natively without WSL, and then... why run a Linux kernel? I think it's more like, "Why run a NT Kernel?" or from an MS internal perspective, "Why fund development and testing of an NT Kernel? We already made it so all legacy Windows apps run natively on Linux anyways"

shadowfox 4y ago

It is not like the first time they tried a Unix. Xenix was a thing in the past.

squarefoot 4y ago

Still Microsoft, although after a change of tactics. They don't want to kill Linux anymore, but something even more dangerous: controlling it by making their one the accepted corporate standard ("Nobody was ever fired for using MS Linux", etc). The day they push some proprietary or oddly licensed technology to be integrated into their Linux is the day a thousands alerts should be raised into the community. Then will come software that runs only, or runs better, on their Linux. WSL was the first step: making something with both Microsoft and Linux in its name accepted by the community.

dotancohen 4y ago
> The day they push some proprietary or oddly licensed technology to be integrated into their > Linux is the day a thousands alerts should be raised into the community. EFI boot?
- lmm 4y ago
  Yep. And everything their sleeper agent Pottering wrote.
- naikrovek 4y ago
  UEFI was created by an alliance of 12 companies, 11 of whom are not Microsoft, and Intel began the work. Again, not Microsoft. TianoCore is an open source reference implementation of UEFI maintained by Intel; there's no proprietary Microsoft stuff in there. Microsoft seek to ease development for users who either choose Windows or who are forced to use Windows by an employer. there's no "play" here, no extending or extinguishing. They want, like any reasonable developer would, a better world for software developers.
rnd0 4y ago
>Still Microsoft Here, here. I haven't seen anything yet that isn't straight out of the MS playbook on this.
- zbird 4y ago
  Did you mean 'hear, hear', or is 'here, here' something I missed?

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