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Terrorism can be generally defined as a group of people systematically instilling fear in citizens by carrying out violent acts that either destroy things or ki

Terrorism can be generally defined as a group of people systematically instilling fear in citizens by carrying out violent acts that either destroy things or kill people. Unfortunately I can't read that tweet. Do you have a credible source in English ideally that states the protestors have deliberately killed a person in an act of terrorism?

pelasaco 4y ago
> Terrorism can be generally defined as a group of people systematically instilling fear in citizens by carrying out violent acts that either destroy things or kill people. Nope, the definition of Terrorism was given some messages before.. you can just look some messages above.. its there. The "not so well" english version https://berlinspectator.com/2022/10/31/berlin-terrible-accident-raises-questions-about-last-generation-blockades-2/ https://berlinspectator.com/2022/10/31/berlin-terrible-accid... https://www.resetera.com/threads/climate-activists-from-%E2%80%9Elast-generation%E2%80%9C-face-charges-after-autobahn-stunt-delays-emergency-help-to-critically-injured-cyclist-in-berlin.651045/ https://www.resetera.com/threads/climate-activists-from-%E2%...
- uxcolumbo 4y ago
  Can we agree to the following: Terrorism is the act of instilling terror. Terror as defined in the dictionary: "violence or the threat of violence used as a weapon of intimidation or coercion; especially violent or destructive acts (such as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands" Otherwise if you make up your own definition and not stick to dictionary definitions then we are talking past each other. So assuming you agree to the dictionary definition - do you really believe that people are in a state of TERROR when they hear about climate activists protests? They fear people who block roads or glue their hands to walls or paintings? And in terms of the articles you shared - nowhere did it say that the protestors were responsible for the accident that caused the life threatening injuries to the cyclist. The protests happened miles away from the accident. According to the article - they are still determining whether the road block did delay the medical help or whether the cyclist was already brain dead at the time of the accident. Just for the record - road blocks on motorways are wrong in my view. But it's a far stretch to call people who block roads - terrorists. Otherwise you should also call the Truckers in Canada terrorists who blocked roads this year. Or would you call any other people who block roads for whatever reasons - terrorists? And you've not provided further clarification regarding climate activists destroying human heritage. Do you have any links to media or police reports where human heritage items have been destroyed - as in "To break apart the structure of, render physically unusable, or cause to cease to exist as a distinguishable physical entity"
  - pelasaco 4y ago
    you can translate it https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article241979761/CSU-Landesgruppenchef-Entstehung-einer-Klima-RAF-verhindern-Dobrindt-fordert-haertere-Strafen.html https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article241979761/CSU... the authorities are trying at all costs to avoid a Climate RAF (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction), a terror group founded by bored middle class teenagers.
    - uxcolumbo 4y ago
      I read the article. Three key points: 1) Nowhere did it say that the German government are classifying the protestors who blocked the road as RAF like terrorists. The person who made that comparison was a right wing politician who is known to be against the Green Party in Germany and he also seems to be a lobbyist for car manufacturers and is accused of not doing enough when the VW Dieselgate happened. So no wonder he's comparing these climate activists with RAF terrorists. 2) The government spokesman Mr Hebstriet even implied the word Terrorism should not be used and this case can be dealt with existing laws. What they are discussing is whether harsher laws are required to discourage road blocking protests. 3) According to the emergency doctor treating the cyclist at the scene, the fact that the car was not available had no effect on the rescue of the injured woman - so she died because of her serious injuries and not because of the people blocking the road. I hope by your argumentation so far you are not advocating that schoolkids, doctors, scientists and other people who are protesting in the name of nature and future generations should be seen as potential terrorists or that those people who have broken traffic laws should be treated as terrorists?
      - pelasaco 4y ago
        > I hope by your argumentation so far you are not advocating that schoolkids, doctors, scientists and other people who are protesting in the name of nature and future generations should be seen as potential terrorists or that those people who have broken traffic laws should be treated as terrorists? Are doctors, scientists destroying pieces of our human heritage or blocking roads? Nope > The person who made that comparison was a right wing politician Lol, everyone that say something against your agenda is a right-wing.. btw to be right isnt a crime or negative, if it means conservative. CSU, FDP, and etc are "right wing" just because they oppose the left (from where the term originated from), they aren't "nazis" > Mr Hebstriet.. lol Steffen Hebestreit belongs to the "extreme-left-wing" from SPD, so for sure he would say something like that and wouldn't be able to handle a situation like: http://web.archive.org/web/20220816214317/https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/abbas-israel-holocaust-olaf-scholz-1.5640304 http://web.archive.org/web/20220816214317/https://www.suedde..., so you are just supporting my argument, that your commitment here is with the agenda and not with the truth.

pelasaco 4y ago

> Terrorism can be generally defined as a group of people systematically instilling fear in citizens by carrying out violent acts that either destroy things or kill people. Nope, the definition of Terrorism was given some messages before.. you can just look some messages above.. its there. The "not so well" english version https://berlinspectator.com/2022/10/31/berlin-terrible-accident-raises-questions-about-last-generation-blockades-2/ https://berlinspectator.com/2022/10/31/berlin-terrible-accid... https://www.resetera.com/threads/climate-activists-from-%E2%80%9Elast-generation%E2%80%9C-face-charges-after-autobahn-stunt-delays-emergency-help-to-critically-injured-cyclist-in-berlin.651045/ https://www.resetera.com/threads/climate-activists-from-%E2%...

uxcolumbo 4y ago
Can we agree to the following: Terrorism is the act of instilling terror. Terror as defined in the dictionary: "violence or the threat of violence used as a weapon of intimidation or coercion; especially violent or destructive acts (such as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands" Otherwise if you make up your own definition and not stick to dictionary definitions then we are talking past each other. So assuming you agree to the dictionary definition - do you really believe that people are in a state of TERROR when they hear about climate activists protests? They fear people who block roads or glue their hands to walls or paintings? And in terms of the articles you shared - nowhere did it say that the protestors were responsible for the accident that caused the life threatening injuries to the cyclist. The protests happened miles away from the accident. According to the article - they are still determining whether the road block did delay the medical help or whether the cyclist was already brain dead at the time of the accident. Just for the record - road blocks on motorways are wrong in my view. But it's a far stretch to call people who block roads - terrorists. Otherwise you should also call the Truckers in Canada terrorists who blocked roads this year. Or would you call any other people who block roads for whatever reasons - terrorists? And you've not provided further clarification regarding climate activists destroying human heritage. Do you have any links to media or police reports where human heritage items have been destroyed - as in "To break apart the structure of, render physically unusable, or cause to cease to exist as a distinguishable physical entity"
- pelasaco 4y ago
  you can translate it https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article241979761/CSU-Landesgruppenchef-Entstehung-einer-Klima-RAF-verhindern-Dobrindt-fordert-haertere-Strafen.html https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article241979761/CSU... the authorities are trying at all costs to avoid a Climate RAF (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction), a terror group founded by bored middle class teenagers.
  - uxcolumbo 4y ago
    I read the article. Three key points: 1) Nowhere did it say that the German government are classifying the protestors who blocked the road as RAF like terrorists. The person who made that comparison was a right wing politician who is known to be against the Green Party in Germany and he also seems to be a lobbyist for car manufacturers and is accused of not doing enough when the VW Dieselgate happened. So no wonder he's comparing these climate activists with RAF terrorists. 2) The government spokesman Mr Hebstriet even implied the word Terrorism should not be used and this case can be dealt with existing laws. What they are discussing is whether harsher laws are required to discourage road blocking protests. 3) According to the emergency doctor treating the cyclist at the scene, the fact that the car was not available had no effect on the rescue of the injured woman - so she died because of her serious injuries and not because of the people blocking the road. I hope by your argumentation so far you are not advocating that schoolkids, doctors, scientists and other people who are protesting in the name of nature and future generations should be seen as potential terrorists or that those people who have broken traffic laws should be treated as terrorists?
    - pelasaco 4y ago
      > I hope by your argumentation so far you are not advocating that schoolkids, doctors, scientists and other people who are protesting in the name of nature and future generations should be seen as potential terrorists or that those people who have broken traffic laws should be treated as terrorists? Are doctors, scientists destroying pieces of our human heritage or blocking roads? Nope > The person who made that comparison was a right wing politician Lol, everyone that say something against your agenda is a right-wing.. btw to be right isnt a crime or negative, if it means conservative. CSU, FDP, and etc are "right wing" just because they oppose the left (from where the term originated from), they aren't "nazis" > Mr Hebstriet.. lol Steffen Hebestreit belongs to the "extreme-left-wing" from SPD, so for sure he would say something like that and wouldn't be able to handle a situation like: http://web.archive.org/web/20220816214317/https://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/abbas-israel-holocaust-olaf-scholz-1.5640304 http://web.archive.org/web/20220816214317/https://www.suedde..., so you are just supporting my argument, that your commitment here is with the agenda and not with the truth.