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Get a lawyer since this is nonsense.

by m00x 4y ago

bugfix-66 4y ago
It's literally the standard BSD 2-Clause License, word for word, with an additional third clause: 3. Use in source or binary forms for the construction or operation of predictive software generation systems is prohibited. Hardly nonsense, but obviously you aren't equipped to judge. More about the BSD licenses: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses
- m00x 4y ago
  Yes, that added clause is nonsense. On top of being nonsense, there is significant precedent. Remember the lawsuit of HiQ labs vs LinkedIn? Scraping, or viewing public data on a public webpage is legal. https://gizmodo.com/linkedin-scraping-data-legal-court-case-1848811335 https://gizmodo.com/linkedin-scraping-data-legal-court-case-...
  - bugfix-66 4y ago
    If the GPL can defeat Copilot, we need an more permissive MIT/BSD-style license to do the same.
    - tptacek 4y ago
      This does seem like a pretty compelling rebuttal, since the preceding comment suggests that GPL does nothing to Microsoft's ability to incorporate code into Copilot's model.
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- nverno 4y ago
  How would you ever prove the parameters of a model were generated by specific training data? Couldn't multiple sets of training data produce the same embeddings/parameters? I imagine there could be infinite possible sets of training data that would lead to the same results, depending on the type of predictive software.
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tptacek 4y ago
Is it? A similarly casual clause in the OCB license prevented OCB from being used by the military for many years (granted, it prevented OCB from being used almost everywhere else, too). I have no idea if this license language works or doesn't, but this is hardly the least productive subthread on this story. It's concrete and specific, and we can learn stuff from it.
- tedunangst 4y ago
  OCB is a fun case study because they later granted an exception for OpenSSL, but only for software literally named OpenSSL.

Get a lawyer since this is nonsense.

by m00x 4y ago

Get a lawyer since this is nonsense.

It's literally the standard BSD 2-Clause License, word for word, with an additional third clause: 3. Use in source or binary forms for the construction or operation of predictive software generation systems is prohibited. Hardly nonsense, but obviously you aren't equipped to judge. More about the BSD licenses: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_licenses

m00x 4y ago
Yes, that added clause is nonsense. On top of being nonsense, there is significant precedent. Remember the lawsuit of HiQ labs vs LinkedIn? Scraping, or viewing public data on a public webpage is legal. https://gizmodo.com/linkedin-scraping-data-legal-court-case-1848811335 https://gizmodo.com/linkedin-scraping-data-legal-court-case-...
- bugfix-66 4y ago
  If the GPL can defeat Copilot, we need an more permissive MIT/BSD-style license to do the same.
  - tptacek 4y ago
    This does seem like a pretty compelling rebuttal, since the preceding comment suggests that GPL does nothing to Microsoft's ability to incorporate code into Copilot's model.
    - deleted 4y ago
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nverno 4y ago
How would you ever prove the parameters of a model were generated by specific training data? Couldn't multiple sets of training data produce the same embeddings/parameters? I imagine there could be infinite possible sets of training data that would lead to the same results, depending on the type of predictive software.
- deleted 4y ago
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tptacek 4y ago

Is it? A similarly casual clause in the OCB license prevented OCB from being used by the military for many years (granted, it prevented OCB from being used almost everywhere else, too). I have no idea if this license language works or doesn't, but this is hardly the least productive subthread on this story. It's concrete and specific, and we can learn stuff from it.

tedunangst 4y ago
OCB is a fun case study because they later granted an exception for OpenSSL, but only for software literally named OpenSSL.