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Far right? Come on now.

spacedcowboy 4y ago
Right is relative. The Tories are currently way to the right of where they have been, historically speaking. This came from the absorption/takeover when all the "Britain First" <redacted>'s joined up.
- Veen 4y ago
  That is fiction.
  - TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
    Hardly. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/paul-golding-conservatives-britain-first-boris-johnson-muslim-women-letterboxes-a9254061.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/paul-golding-...
    - Veen 4y ago
      Golding didn't join the Tories. He tried to join and was rejected. The Tories have not been taken over or absorbed by Britain First.To say so is an absurd lie. Any fool with £20 can join a political party but that doesn't mean they determine policy or have any control. Do you really think Rishi Sunak or Suella Braverman take their orders from Britain First nutcases?
LightG 4y ago
Absolutely. England has been captured by far-right think-tanks, dressed up in nice suits and dresses. There are pockets of resistence within the ruling party, but that doesn't change the last 10 years of madness. If you are unaware of this, your personal Overton window is all over the place. I'd get that checked out at the local mechanics.
- BuyMyBitcoins 4y ago
  >” England has been captured by far-right think-tanks.” What are the top three most far-right policies the UK government is now pursuing since it was captured by these think tanks?
  - kergonath 4y ago
    The Brexit isolationism thing? The immigration policy and the way they deal with refugees crossing the Channel? The Rwanda thing? I mean, it’s really not that difficult.
    - Auracle 4y ago
      The only reason that seems far right to you is that the Overton window has radically shifted. Not being beholden to the EU and controlling your borders was perfectly normal 30 years ago. Hell, the whole “not letting anyone in just because they claim to be a refugee” aspect was normal in Europe…10 years ago?
      - kergonath 4y ago
        > The only reason that seems far right to you is that the Overton window has radically shifted. You mean rightwards, right? Otherwise we don’t live in the same reality. Even Labour is tame compared to what it was 30 years ago. > Not being beholden to the EU and controlling your borders was perfectly normal 30 years ago. The problem with Brexit is not the control of the borders, it’s the whole nationalist bullshit that goes with it (and the fact that it’s completely unrealistic). 40 years ago Thatcher was commuting the country to thriving in the single market. And she was as right wing as it comes, and the political mainstream of the day. 30 years ago it was Major. > Hell, the whole “not letting anyone in just because they claim to be a refugee” aspect was normal in Europe…10 years ago? No, not really. If you are British, your perspective might be a bit skewed, but there were discussions about refugees waves regularly after the Viêt Nam war or the Armenian genocide, for example, certainly no consensus to deport them to a third world country. The only example of fortified borders in Europe from that era was the iron curtain.

Right is relative. The Tories are currently way to the right of where they have been, historically speaking. This came from the absorption/takeover when all the "Britain First" <redacted>'s joined up.

Veen 4y ago
That is fiction.
- TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
  Hardly. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/paul-golding-conservatives-britain-first-boris-johnson-muslim-women-letterboxes-a9254061.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/paul-golding-...
  - Veen 4y ago
    Golding didn't join the Tories. He tried to join and was rejected. The Tories have not been taken over or absorbed by Britain First.To say so is an absurd lie. Any fool with £20 can join a political party but that doesn't mean they determine policy or have any control. Do you really think Rishi Sunak or Suella Braverman take their orders from Britain First nutcases?

LightG 4y ago

Absolutely. England has been captured by far-right think-tanks, dressed up in nice suits and dresses. There are pockets of resistence within the ruling party, but that doesn't change the last 10 years of madness. If you are unaware of this, your personal Overton window is all over the place. I'd get that checked out at the local mechanics.

BuyMyBitcoins 4y ago
>” England has been captured by far-right think-tanks.” What are the top three most far-right policies the UK government is now pursuing since it was captured by these think tanks?
- kergonath 4y ago
  The Brexit isolationism thing? The immigration policy and the way they deal with refugees crossing the Channel? The Rwanda thing? I mean, it’s really not that difficult.
  - Auracle 4y ago
    The only reason that seems far right to you is that the Overton window has radically shifted. Not being beholden to the EU and controlling your borders was perfectly normal 30 years ago. Hell, the whole “not letting anyone in just because they claim to be a refugee” aspect was normal in Europe…10 years ago?
    - kergonath 4y ago
      > The only reason that seems far right to you is that the Overton window has radically shifted. You mean rightwards, right? Otherwise we don’t live in the same reality. Even Labour is tame compared to what it was 30 years ago. > Not being beholden to the EU and controlling your borders was perfectly normal 30 years ago. The problem with Brexit is not the control of the borders, it’s the whole nationalist bullshit that goes with it (and the fact that it’s completely unrealistic). 40 years ago Thatcher was commuting the country to thriving in the single market. And she was as right wing as it comes, and the political mainstream of the day. 30 years ago it was Major. > Hell, the whole “not letting anyone in just because they claim to be a refugee” aspect was normal in Europe…10 years ago? No, not really. If you are British, your perspective might be a bit skewed, but there were discussions about refugees waves regularly after the Viêt Nam war or the Armenian genocide, for example, certainly no consensus to deport them to a third world country. The only example of fortified borders in Europe from that era was the iron curtain.