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Yeah when they were talking about all the red tape that will be gone and then introducing the ukca marking to replace the ce marking… (facepalm) The annoying B

Yeah when they were talking about all the red tape that will be gone and then introducing the ukca marking to replace the ce marking… (facepalm) The annoying British exceptionalism is for once coming to bite hard.

rwmj 4y ago
No one who does a days work in Britain thinks any of this is a good thing. It's largely generated by a far right party through a voting system that allows pensioners (a minority) to control who gets into power.
- rjsw 4y ago
  Not sure that is completely true. People working in construction or hospitality are probably happy for now that there are fewer people competing with them for jobs.
  - TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
    Even if that were true - and it isn't - countless export-oriented businesses have been shutting down because it is now insanely bureaucratic and uneconomically expensive to trade with a bloc that is just over 20 miles away. The lies told to get Brexit over the line normalised a period of exceptionalist reality-denying insanity which has spilled over into Covid policy, economic policy, climate policy, health policy, energy policy, immigration policy [1], transport and logistics, media credibility, and political stability. It is - without any exaggeration at all - an absolute shit show. No one earning less than a few million a year has benefited in any lasting or significant way. Certainly not big-picture economically. [1] Pandemic aside, Brexit has had no impact on immigration numbers. https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/ https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/lo...
  - kergonath 4y ago
    There has been a labour shortage for years now in these sectors. It hasn’t helped their situation and both pubs and shops keep closing. These people have few reasons to be happy.
- jayceedenton 4y ago
  Far right? Come on now.
  - spacedcowboy 4y ago
    Right is relative. The Tories are currently way to the right of where they have been, historically speaking. This came from the absorption/takeover when all the "Britain First" <redacted>'s joined up.
    - Veen 4y ago
      That is fiction.
      - TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
        Hardly. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/paul-golding-conservatives-britain-first-boris-johnson-muslim-women-letterboxes-a9254061.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/paul-golding-...
        Veen 4y ago
        Golding didn't join the Tories. He tried to join and was rejected. The Tories have not been taken over or absorbed by Britain First.To say so is an absurd lie. Any fool with £20 can join a political party but that doesn't mean they determine policy or have any control. Do you really think Rishi Sunak or Suella Braverman take their orders from Britain First nutcases?
  - LightG 4y ago
    Absolutely. England has been captured by far-right think-tanks, dressed up in nice suits and dresses. There are pockets of resistence within the ruling party, but that doesn't change the last 10 years of madness. If you are unaware of this, your personal Overton window is all over the place. I'd get that checked out at the local mechanics.
- shagie 4y ago
  With the mess of England's prime minster, a number of Brexit videos showed up in my feed on Youtube... some of the ones that I've watched that are interesting. A German documentary (it has English subtitles for the German narration)): British Fishermen and Brexit | ARTE.tv Documentary https://youtu.be/gUKywFazdDo https://youtu.be/gUKywFazdDo A financial times article on Brexit - The Brexit effect: how leaving the EU hit the UK | FT Film https://youtu.be/wO2lWmgEK1Y https://youtu.be/wO2lWmgEK1Y A TLDR from earlier this week: No-one Likes Brexit Anymore: What Happens Next? https://youtu.be/kLZOlHhumq8 https://youtu.be/kLZOlHhumq8 (the main part on this relevant is the polling and the corresponding events) --- There's a fair bit of Brexit-regret going on now and some people apparently still think its a good idea. At the time of the referendum, it appears that quite a few people who did a day's work in Britain thought that it was a good idea, but have since come to realize that it wasn't.
  - cirrus-clouds 4y ago
    Your comment is perfectly reasonable and doesn't deserve downvote. I have seen the FT report on YouTube - it is excellent and worth a watch. I can also recommended this short video (3 min): Brexit update (August 2022) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUiJxH2pclM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUiJxH2pclM (As an aside, our national newspapers, mostly right-wing and Conservative-supporting, have poisoned political discourse for decades in the UK. The FT is the only national newspaper with a higher standard of journalism than the others.)
    - shagie 4y ago
      That was a nice short clip, and looking into it, the voice of Anna Ford was initially lost on me (not being British). I found the German one to be the interesting too in that it was more "regular person" interview content (which was all in English) and the thoughts that they had about the Brexit, the promises that they were given and what they're seeing now. The FT video had a much more business orientation, which while informative on the, well, financial side of it didn't capture the common person's experience as much.
- throwaway894345 4y ago
  Wouldn't inflation (and thus tax cuts) hit pensioners the hardest? Presumably inflation hits pensioners harder than those who are still working? I'm not sure how the UK pension system works, but I wouldn't want to sell off my retirement investments at low prices for currency with sharply reduced buying power. Is the idea that they voted in this government which then betrayed them (either through incompetence or malfeasance)?
  - idiotsecant 4y ago
    I think it's not even an act of betrayal - they did exactly what they said they were going to do. It also wasn't like there was nobody saying how bad of an idea it was - basically anyone who had any kind of knowledge of economics was screaming that it was a horrible idea and people still voted for it because they saw it as a rejection of the outgroup social exercise which is, unfortunately, one of the most egregious bugs in the human firmware.
  - misnome 4y ago
    > I'm not sure how the UK pension system works, In principle, unless the Government reverses it (which they are semi-consistently somewhat threatening to do), UK pensions are supposed to be protected by a "Triple lock". They increase each year by whatever is the highest out of inflation, average wage, or 2.5%. So if the country tanks and inflation skyrockets, they are supposed to get an increase to match it.
    - throwaway894345 4y ago
      Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.
    - makomk 4y ago
      The triple lock only applies to the state pension, which is not generous - it's basically about the bare minimum to live on I think. That's part of the reason why the government is willing to increase it so aggressively.
      - 4y ago
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the_mitsuhiko 4y ago
Even better: there are two UKCA marks. UKCA for the Uk and UKNI for Northern Ireland.

rwmj 4y ago

No one who does a days work in Britain thinks any of this is a good thing. It's largely generated by a far right party through a voting system that allows pensioners (a minority) to control who gets into power.

rjsw 4y ago
Not sure that is completely true. People working in construction or hospitality are probably happy for now that there are fewer people competing with them for jobs.
- TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
  Even if that were true - and it isn't - countless export-oriented businesses have been shutting down because it is now insanely bureaucratic and uneconomically expensive to trade with a bloc that is just over 20 miles away. The lies told to get Brexit over the line normalised a period of exceptionalist reality-denying insanity which has spilled over into Covid policy, economic policy, climate policy, health policy, energy policy, immigration policy [1], transport and logistics, media credibility, and political stability. It is - without any exaggeration at all - an absolute shit show. No one earning less than a few million a year has benefited in any lasting or significant way. Certainly not big-picture economically. [1] Pandemic aside, Brexit has had no impact on immigration numbers. https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/ https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/lo...
- kergonath 4y ago
  There has been a labour shortage for years now in these sectors. It hasn’t helped their situation and both pubs and shops keep closing. These people have few reasons to be happy.
jayceedenton 4y ago
Far right? Come on now.
- spacedcowboy 4y ago
  Right is relative. The Tories are currently way to the right of where they have been, historically speaking. This came from the absorption/takeover when all the "Britain First" <redacted>'s joined up.
  - Veen 4y ago
    That is fiction.
    - TheOtherHobbes 4y ago
      Hardly. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/paul-golding-conservatives-britain-first-boris-johnson-muslim-women-letterboxes-a9254061.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/paul-golding-...
      - Veen 4y ago
        Golding didn't join the Tories. He tried to join and was rejected. The Tories have not been taken over or absorbed by Britain First.To say so is an absurd lie. Any fool with £20 can join a political party but that doesn't mean they determine policy or have any control. Do you really think Rishi Sunak or Suella Braverman take their orders from Britain First nutcases?
- LightG 4y ago
  Absolutely. England has been captured by far-right think-tanks, dressed up in nice suits and dresses. There are pockets of resistence within the ruling party, but that doesn't change the last 10 years of madness. If you are unaware of this, your personal Overton window is all over the place. I'd get that checked out at the local mechanics.
shagie 4y ago
With the mess of England's prime minster, a number of Brexit videos showed up in my feed on Youtube... some of the ones that I've watched that are interesting. A German documentary (it has English subtitles for the German narration)): British Fishermen and Brexit | ARTE.tv Documentary https://youtu.be/gUKywFazdDo https://youtu.be/gUKywFazdDo A financial times article on Brexit - The Brexit effect: how leaving the EU hit the UK | FT Film https://youtu.be/wO2lWmgEK1Y https://youtu.be/wO2lWmgEK1Y A TLDR from earlier this week: No-one Likes Brexit Anymore: What Happens Next? https://youtu.be/kLZOlHhumq8 https://youtu.be/kLZOlHhumq8 (the main part on this relevant is the polling and the corresponding events) --- There's a fair bit of Brexit-regret going on now and some people apparently still think its a good idea. At the time of the referendum, it appears that quite a few people who did a day's work in Britain thought that it was a good idea, but have since come to realize that it wasn't.
- cirrus-clouds 4y ago
  Your comment is perfectly reasonable and doesn't deserve downvote. I have seen the FT report on YouTube - it is excellent and worth a watch. I can also recommended this short video (3 min): Brexit update (August 2022) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUiJxH2pclM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUiJxH2pclM (As an aside, our national newspapers, mostly right-wing and Conservative-supporting, have poisoned political discourse for decades in the UK. The FT is the only national newspaper with a higher standard of journalism than the others.)
  - shagie 4y ago
    That was a nice short clip, and looking into it, the voice of Anna Ford was initially lost on me (not being British). I found the German one to be the interesting too in that it was more "regular person" interview content (which was all in English) and the thoughts that they had about the Brexit, the promises that they were given and what they're seeing now. The FT video had a much more business orientation, which while informative on the, well, financial side of it didn't capture the common person's experience as much.
throwaway894345 4y ago
Wouldn't inflation (and thus tax cuts) hit pensioners the hardest? Presumably inflation hits pensioners harder than those who are still working? I'm not sure how the UK pension system works, but I wouldn't want to sell off my retirement investments at low prices for currency with sharply reduced buying power. Is the idea that they voted in this government which then betrayed them (either through incompetence or malfeasance)?
- idiotsecant 4y ago
  I think it's not even an act of betrayal - they did exactly what they said they were going to do. It also wasn't like there was nobody saying how bad of an idea it was - basically anyone who had any kind of knowledge of economics was screaming that it was a horrible idea and people still voted for it because they saw it as a rejection of the outgroup social exercise which is, unfortunately, one of the most egregious bugs in the human firmware.
- misnome 4y ago
  > I'm not sure how the UK pension system works, In principle, unless the Government reverses it (which they are semi-consistently somewhat threatening to do), UK pensions are supposed to be protected by a "Triple lock". They increase each year by whatever is the highest out of inflation, average wage, or 2.5%. So if the country tanks and inflation skyrockets, they are supposed to get an increase to match it.
  - throwaway894345 4y ago
    Ah, that makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.
  - makomk 4y ago
    The triple lock only applies to the state pension, which is not generous - it's basically about the bare minimum to live on I think. That's part of the reason why the government is willing to increase it so aggressively.
    - 4y ago
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the_mitsuhiko 4y ago

Even better: there are two UKCA marks. UKCA for the Uk and UKNI for Northern Ireland.