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yeah, I prefer apps which have E2EE messages by default and have actual user base

by Markoff 4y ago

Kinrany 4y ago
Neither can be trusted, but Telegram's UI and privacy track record have been much better so far.
- palata 4y ago
  That's debatable, since WhatsApp has e2ee and Telegram doesn't (nobody uses Telegram for the secret chats, let's be honest).
  - hutzlibu 4y ago
    "(nobody uses Telegram for the secret chats, let's be honest)." Thats what you would think from a technical point of view, but actually I witnessed some drama with people installing Telegram, because the partner thought it was done only for this "secret chat" option, which seems to be popular for people having affairs. As it leaves no trace on the phone. Most people don't care about the NSA. They care about their partner, or parents spying on them (which says a lot about the integrity of those relationships).
    - Markoff 4y ago
      Whatsapp has disappearing messages, though it takes 24 hours to disappear, don't understand, why they can't make it instant after reading or within minutes. Personally I don't use it. I mean if you wanna cheat is it really that difficult to not forget manually delete the chat instead using feature which does it for you?
      - hutzlibu 4y ago
        "I mean if you wanna cheat is it really that difficult to not forget manually delete the chat instead using feature which does it for you?" Haha, real secret agents forgot Top Secret documents in the subway or alike. Normal people absolutely forget to do this.
Barrin92 4y ago
>and have actual user base Telegram has about half a billion monthly active users, I think that qualifies as a decent user base
- Markoff 4y ago
  Any source for this data other than telegram PR? Even if that were truth I know pretty much nobody who has it, while I think I dunno single person who wouldn't have Whatsapp, so I assume majority of those Telegram users are concentrated in few countries lika Russia, Iran etc. or in some specific social circles, which I am not part of.
  - eitland 4y ago
    Steady stream of new people showing up tells me at least there is a heavy influx of users and have been for a long time. Edit: you might also be onto something with the "specific social circles" part of the comment. It is maybe like Google+: from the outside it looked like a ghost town, while inside it was beautiful.
  - Barrin92 4y ago
    >Any source for this data other than telegram PR? You may go by Google Play Store installations. With about ~1.5 billion installs that's about a third to a quarter of WhatsApp installations. WhatsApp claims about two billion active users, so that seems about right.

yeah, I prefer apps which have E2EE messages by default and have actual user base

Kinrany 4y ago

Neither can be trusted, but Telegram's UI and privacy track record have been much better so far.

palata 4y ago
That's debatable, since WhatsApp has e2ee and Telegram doesn't (nobody uses Telegram for the secret chats, let's be honest).
- hutzlibu 4y ago
  "(nobody uses Telegram for the secret chats, let's be honest)." Thats what you would think from a technical point of view, but actually I witnessed some drama with people installing Telegram, because the partner thought it was done only for this "secret chat" option, which seems to be popular for people having affairs. As it leaves no trace on the phone. Most people don't care about the NSA. They care about their partner, or parents spying on them (which says a lot about the integrity of those relationships).
  - Markoff 4y ago
    Whatsapp has disappearing messages, though it takes 24 hours to disappear, don't understand, why they can't make it instant after reading or within minutes. Personally I don't use it. I mean if you wanna cheat is it really that difficult to not forget manually delete the chat instead using feature which does it for you?
    - hutzlibu 4y ago
      "I mean if you wanna cheat is it really that difficult to not forget manually delete the chat instead using feature which does it for you?" Haha, real secret agents forgot Top Secret documents in the subway or alike. Normal people absolutely forget to do this.

Barrin92 4y ago

>and have actual user base Telegram has about half a billion monthly active users, I think that qualifies as a decent user base

Markoff 4y ago
Any source for this data other than telegram PR? Even if that were truth I know pretty much nobody who has it, while I think I dunno single person who wouldn't have Whatsapp, so I assume majority of those Telegram users are concentrated in few countries lika Russia, Iran etc. or in some specific social circles, which I am not part of.
- eitland 4y ago
  Steady stream of new people showing up tells me at least there is a heavy influx of users and have been for a long time. Edit: you might also be onto something with the "specific social circles" part of the comment. It is maybe like Google+: from the outside it looked like a ghost town, while inside it was beautiful.
- Barrin92 4y ago
  >Any source for this data other than telegram PR? You may go by Google Play Store installations. With about ~1.5 billion installs that's about a third to a quarter of WhatsApp installations. WhatsApp claims about two billion active users, so that seems about right.