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I'm surprised by how torn the community appears to be - after their success in Italy, I would have expected stronger support for such a proposal. Is there a tal

I'm surprised by how torn the community appears to be - after their success in Italy, I would have expected stronger support for such a proposal. Is there a tally somewhere on that page? My rough reading is that supports outnumber opposes, but not by much. I'm heartened that they're considering it. I certainly think it's worth trying.

_delirium 15y ago
One problem is that it's much bigger, so the main contributors no longer know each other. When I started editing Wikipedia in 2003, I'd look at the "Recent Changes" page and at least recognize the name of everyone who made more than a few contributions, and I definitely knew everyone who was active in meta-activities (mailing list, Village Pump, etc.). The Italian Wikipedia is roughly like that, with a few dozen major contributors, and in some ways they're actually more tightly knit than even 2003-era English Wikipedia, because the vast majority live in Italy within a few hours' train ride of each other. The English one, though, has grown so huge that it's more unwieldy now. I no longer recognize even some very prolific contributors, because there's no feasible way to keep tabs on All Edits To Any Article. It's unclear how to go about building community and decentralized decision making in really large communities. Even just this one discussion page is unwieldy: it's been edited about 600 times since Jimmy Wales floated the idea. There is also, unlike the Italian Wikipedia, a more international base of contributors, and a vocal subset are really touchy about the English-language Wikipedia being seen as the "American" Wikipedia, so vociferously object to it doing anything in response to USA-specific politics.
raldi 15y ago
I can't find a tally on the page, but a quick Perl tally suggests "support" is getting ~75% of the votes.
- redthrowaway 15y ago
  It won't have a tally, as this is just a straw poll and not any sort of official !vote on the matter. Jimbo's floating the idea on his talkpage to guage the community's reaction to it and get some ideas for what he should say to lawmakers when he meets them. If it seems like the motion has legs, then either Jimbo or someone else will create an actual RfC where the community will hash out a plan to enact it.
robertskmiles 15y ago
There's a scraper here: http://hacksandthoughts.posterous.com/blanking-all-wikipedia-as-sopa-protest-live-s http://hacksandthoughts.posterous.com/blanking-all-wikipedia... which is keeping a tally.

_delirium 15y ago

One problem is that it's much bigger, so the main contributors no longer know each other. When I started editing Wikipedia in 2003, I'd look at the "Recent Changes" page and at least recognize the name of everyone who made more than a few contributions, and I definitely knew everyone who was active in meta-activities (mailing list, Village Pump, etc.). The Italian Wikipedia is roughly like that, with a few dozen major contributors, and in some ways they're actually more tightly knit than even 2003-era English Wikipedia, because the vast majority live in Italy within a few hours' train ride of each other. The English one, though, has grown so huge that it's more unwieldy now. I no longer recognize even some very prolific contributors, because there's no feasible way to keep tabs on All Edits To Any Article. It's unclear how to go about building community and decentralized decision making in really large communities. Even just this one discussion page is unwieldy: it's been edited about 600 times since Jimmy Wales floated the idea. There is also, unlike the Italian Wikipedia, a more international base of contributors, and a vocal subset are really touchy about the English-language Wikipedia being seen as the "American" Wikipedia, so vociferously object to it doing anything in response to USA-specific politics.

raldi 15y ago

I can't find a tally on the page, but a quick Perl tally suggests "support" is getting ~75% of the votes.

redthrowaway 15y ago
It won't have a tally, as this is just a straw poll and not any sort of official !vote on the matter. Jimbo's floating the idea on his talkpage to guage the community's reaction to it and get some ideas for what he should say to lawmakers when he meets them. If it seems like the motion has legs, then either Jimbo or someone else will create an actual RfC where the community will hash out a plan to enact it.

robertskmiles 15y ago

There's a scraper here: http://hacksandthoughts.posterous.com/blanking-all-wikipedia-as-sopa-protest-live-s http://hacksandthoughts.posterous.com/blanking-all-wikipedia... which is keeping a tally.