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From personal experience, I disagree. Some of the people I enjoyed most and worked best with were offsite. One I met in person after many months. Another I n
by pasbesoin 15y ago
From personal experience, I disagree.
Some of the people I enjoyed most and worked best with were offsite. One I met in person after many months. Another I never met in person. Nonetheless, we could joke and get along quite well on the phone.
These were people who got stuff done. And they figured out that I did as well. We could trust each other.
On the other hand, there were people on-site you couldn't trust unless you practically stood there staring over their shoulder.
Different settings may work better for different people. But when you start telling them what does and doesn't work and mandating your solution -- then you have a problem.
P.S. Hmm. Now that I think about it, in a prior job, some of the people I worked best with were at plants in different states. I never met many of them, either. Being at plants that, you know, actually made stuff, they understood very well getting stuff done. When they said they'd do something, usually they did. If they couldn't, they let you know and why. I appreciated this, and I didn't use my headquarters role as an excuse or reason to blow them off. We got along well.
I've found "having a beer" to have little correlation with working well with people. I remember now the one fellow who wanted to "have coffee" -- just long enough to make sure he could do next year's calculations after I'd left.
P.P.S. I did not downvote you. I think this is a difference of opinion worth expression or even debate.
Over the course of my career, one of the most frustrating things has been to work with people who not only hold such a differing opinion but who give zero consideration to and have no willingness to discuss differing opinions.
For example, I'm perfectly happy to let others work in open space, if that's what works for them both subjectively and objectively. I couldn't care less. I just don't want it prescribed -- mandated -- for me.
- reinhardt 15y agoWell said. One would expect that more people here would understand and accept that not everyone has the same needs or wants for socialization at work or "a few drinks after", what with the "socially awkward geek" stereotype and all. I for one get more motivated seeing my coworkers push high quality commits on github than, say, trying to evade "so, what did you do last weekend" small talk. Looking forward to start working 100% remotely at some point, with all my contacts being "just nicknames on irc".
- sperghammer 15y agoEnjoy dying alone!
- reinhardt 15y agoThanks, will keep trying! Enjoy dying with tons of people yammering around you!
- JoeAltmaier 15y agoYou think the people small-talking at work are your Friends? That is sad.
- wladimir 15y ago100% agreed. I know it isn't for everyone, but I can't wait for the "office" stigma to go away and being able to work together with people through the internet on (paid) projects, like I'm used to with OSS. Communicate through IRC, Skype and mail and Google Documents. I work much more efficient that way. I'm regularly sick of the overhead fluorescent lighting, blame-shifting meetings where nothing happens, awkward "what did you do last weekend" talks at the coffee machine, phone calls about nothing, and sitting in a room full of cackling people being unable to think. Not even starting on all the crazy talk about "human resources"... being shifted between projects before I was even able to do anything because of all the red tape. Also I'd love to be able to work where I want with my laptop, no matter whether that's at home, in a park, in a field, or in the train. In my mind, that was supposed to be the future.