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No one knows [1], except Snap. Not even the maintainers :( Snaps response [2] seems to be: > I understand the sudden move of signal-desktop can be disruptive

No one knows [1], except Snap. Not even the maintainers :( Snaps response [2] seems to be: > I understand the sudden move of signal-desktop can be disruptive for people wishing to install this package. Just to confirm the reason for the absence - Snap Store administrators had to remove the snap in accordance with our policies. We hope to have it back shortly. 1. https://github.com/snapcrafters/signal-desktop/issues/70#issuecomment-1287895145 https://github.com/snapcrafters/signal-desktop/issues/70#iss... 2. https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/what-happened-to-signal-desktop/32119/4 https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/what-happened-to-signal-desktop...

Y_Y 4y ago
That's funny, because in accordance with my policy I delete snap immediately after install.
- cuteboy19 4y ago
  It's standard policy for me to uninstall snapd after every Ubuntu install
  - bravetraveler 4y ago
    My standard policy is to avoid Canonical
    - Spivak 4y ago
      Ubuntu minus snap is to me is still worth the headache honestly. Once you write the build script that cleans up the crap you forget it was ever even there. Would I use Ubuntu as a desktop, oh hell no -- nothing is ever going to beat Fedora.
      - bravetraveler 4y ago
        Fair enough, Linux at the end of the day is Linux -- can't fault anyone for making it fit their needs Good to hear you enjoy Fedora, I do as well! I use the server variant for my stuff, unless you compile kernel modules you might find it a decent fit
        Spivak 4y ago
        I would because hot damn does Redhat have their shit together when it comes to creating a stable cohesive system but I use Lightsail so my options are limited and I'm not touching Centos 8 since it's already EOL.
  - jrumbut 4y ago
    I haven't used Ubuntu recently, hadn't heard of snaps, and this entire thread has been a horrifying introduction.
    - yamtaddle 4y ago
      The whole snap thing is clearly doomed anyway. It's got no chance of "winning" the new wave of app distribution on Linux, being easily the most-hated of the three taking any kind of similar approach (AppImage, Flatpack). Canonical just hasn't thrown in the towel yet, for whatever reason.
      - jrumbut 4y ago
        In my brief introduction to it, there seems to be an impedance mismatch between snaps and the entire philosophy of Linux (and Unix more generally). When a program tries to build it's own little world without consideration for the conventions of the operating system it creates all sorts of problems and doesn't allow the user to leverage its functions as part of a complete system like they can with programs that follow the decades old Unix patterns. What I'm saying is if Canonical wants to be in the Snaps business, perhaps they should make SnapOS.
  - HeckFeck 4y ago
    APT: the only packager strong enough to tell the other packager where to go. Don't forget a --purge for extra wantonness.
- _jal 4y ago
  I do the same personally, and used to with my fleet at work. But Ubuntu Advantage is unfortunately a snap, so if you need any of those features, you're stuck. And we do. And then engineers started installing snaps on their dev instances, I think mostly by accident...
- jacob019 4y ago
  My new policy is to just install Debian instead.
  - Iolaum 4y ago
    Snap is the reason I moved from Ubuntu to Fedora years ago. I couldn't have known how happy I would be with this decision :)
    - xtracto 4y ago
      I've been a happy Linux Mint users for a long time. The day they decide to "downgrade" to Snap, is the day I'm going to Debian o whatever is in vogue and user friendly at that time.
  - DiabloD3 4y ago
    This has been my policy since Debian Potato. Why fix what ain't broke?
  - einpoklum 4y ago
    Consider tweaking your policy to install Devuan instead. Basically the same thing, but not only does it not have snap, it's also systemd-free :-)
    - jacob019 4y ago
      Thanks, but I've come to like systemd.
- Avamander 4y ago
  It also has the benefit of being able to get rid of that hideous ~/snap folder. With what were they thinking making that choice.
- bee_rider 4y ago
  Unfortunately Firefox is a snap on Ubuntu (eventually I'll get around to switching to a better distro -- "it's a laptop," I said, "it'll be nice to have Ubuntu deal with everything for me," big mistake).
  - wasmitnetzen 4y ago
    You can still use a PPA: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-deb-apt-ubuntu-22-04 https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-d...
    - bee_rider 4y ago
      Thanks for the suggestion. I think the long term solution will be to just hop distros anyway (Ubuntu is doing their thing and it works for lots of people, they don't have to be everything for everybody, there are various other little pain-points for me that make it not really worthwhile).
  - wiml 4y ago
    It's fairly straightforward to add a PPA containing a normally-packaged Firefox. But it's always a bad sign when you start having to fight against the distro maintainer's choices.
    - bee_rider 4y ago
      Yeah, I'm used to starting with a base install and building up, I just tried out Ubuntu because I'd switched from desktop to laptop, remembered the bad-old-days of getting laptops working, and figured it would be nice to have Ubuntu handle all that stuff. But now I spend as much time bumping up against their design as I used to spend hunting down wifi drivers 10 years ago or whatever.
    - HeckFeck 4y ago
      This is why I abandoned Ubuntu. I no longer wish to fight the system and I want to have something I can easily recommend to others. I don't want "snap" getting installed surreptitiously, that's far too much like Microsoft. I went back to Debian in the end. Absolutely nothing wrong with good old apt. Nice to have a clean and predictable system that respects my choices.
- PetitSasquatch 4y ago
  I'm actually kind of thankful for Ubuntu's move towards Snaps. Once I realised they were not for me I started distro hopping and ended learning far more day to day system administration skills than ever. To this day, I've never once found myself remotely tempted to use anything like a Snap or Flatpak.
jrootabega 4y ago
Maybe they're under a gag order? Or there's a critical vulnerability they don't want to disclose yet?
- b112 4y ago
  I am thinking of a "friendly bet" app, because I'd like to bet you 2 bucks it's just them being obtuse asses.

Y_Y 4y ago

That's funny, because in accordance with my policy I delete snap immediately after install.

cuteboy19 4y ago
It's standard policy for me to uninstall snapd after every Ubuntu install
- bravetraveler 4y ago
  My standard policy is to avoid Canonical
  - Spivak 4y ago
    Ubuntu minus snap is to me is still worth the headache honestly. Once you write the build script that cleans up the crap you forget it was ever even there. Would I use Ubuntu as a desktop, oh hell no -- nothing is ever going to beat Fedora.
    - bravetraveler 4y ago
      Fair enough, Linux at the end of the day is Linux -- can't fault anyone for making it fit their needs Good to hear you enjoy Fedora, I do as well! I use the server variant for my stuff, unless you compile kernel modules you might find it a decent fit
      - Spivak 4y ago
        I would because hot damn does Redhat have their shit together when it comes to creating a stable cohesive system but I use Lightsail so my options are limited and I'm not touching Centos 8 since it's already EOL.
- jrumbut 4y ago
  I haven't used Ubuntu recently, hadn't heard of snaps, and this entire thread has been a horrifying introduction.
  - yamtaddle 4y ago
    The whole snap thing is clearly doomed anyway. It's got no chance of "winning" the new wave of app distribution on Linux, being easily the most-hated of the three taking any kind of similar approach (AppImage, Flatpack). Canonical just hasn't thrown in the towel yet, for whatever reason.
    - jrumbut 4y ago
      In my brief introduction to it, there seems to be an impedance mismatch between snaps and the entire philosophy of Linux (and Unix more generally). When a program tries to build it's own little world without consideration for the conventions of the operating system it creates all sorts of problems and doesn't allow the user to leverage its functions as part of a complete system like they can with programs that follow the decades old Unix patterns. What I'm saying is if Canonical wants to be in the Snaps business, perhaps they should make SnapOS.
- HeckFeck 4y ago
  APT: the only packager strong enough to tell the other packager where to go. Don't forget a --purge for extra wantonness.
_jal 4y ago
I do the same personally, and used to with my fleet at work. But Ubuntu Advantage is unfortunately a snap, so if you need any of those features, you're stuck. And we do. And then engineers started installing snaps on their dev instances, I think mostly by accident...
jacob019 4y ago
My new policy is to just install Debian instead.
- Iolaum 4y ago
  Snap is the reason I moved from Ubuntu to Fedora years ago. I couldn't have known how happy I would be with this decision :)
  - xtracto 4y ago
    I've been a happy Linux Mint users for a long time. The day they decide to "downgrade" to Snap, is the day I'm going to Debian o whatever is in vogue and user friendly at that time.
- DiabloD3 4y ago
  This has been my policy since Debian Potato. Why fix what ain't broke?
- einpoklum 4y ago
  Consider tweaking your policy to install Devuan instead. Basically the same thing, but not only does it not have snap, it's also systemd-free :-)
  - jacob019 4y ago
    Thanks, but I've come to like systemd.
Avamander 4y ago
It also has the benefit of being able to get rid of that hideous ~/snap folder. With what were they thinking making that choice.
bee_rider 4y ago
Unfortunately Firefox is a snap on Ubuntu (eventually I'll get around to switching to a better distro -- "it's a laptop," I said, "it'll be nice to have Ubuntu deal with everything for me," big mistake).
- wasmitnetzen 4y ago
  You can still use a PPA: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-deb-apt-ubuntu-22-04 https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2022/04/how-to-install-firefox-d...
  - bee_rider 4y ago
    Thanks for the suggestion. I think the long term solution will be to just hop distros anyway (Ubuntu is doing their thing and it works for lots of people, they don't have to be everything for everybody, there are various other little pain-points for me that make it not really worthwhile).
- wiml 4y ago
  It's fairly straightforward to add a PPA containing a normally-packaged Firefox. But it's always a bad sign when you start having to fight against the distro maintainer's choices.
  - bee_rider 4y ago
    Yeah, I'm used to starting with a base install and building up, I just tried out Ubuntu because I'd switched from desktop to laptop, remembered the bad-old-days of getting laptops working, and figured it would be nice to have Ubuntu handle all that stuff. But now I spend as much time bumping up against their design as I used to spend hunting down wifi drivers 10 years ago or whatever.
  - HeckFeck 4y ago
    This is why I abandoned Ubuntu. I no longer wish to fight the system and I want to have something I can easily recommend to others. I don't want "snap" getting installed surreptitiously, that's far too much like Microsoft. I went back to Debian in the end. Absolutely nothing wrong with good old apt. Nice to have a clean and predictable system that respects my choices.
PetitSasquatch 4y ago
I'm actually kind of thankful for Ubuntu's move towards Snaps. Once I realised they were not for me I started distro hopping and ended learning far more day to day system administration skills than ever. To this day, I've never once found myself remotely tempted to use anything like a Snap or Flatpak.

jrootabega 4y ago

Maybe they're under a gag order? Or there's a critical vulnerability they don't want to disclose yet?

b112 4y ago
I am thinking of a "friendly bet" app, because I'd like to bet you 2 bucks it's just them being obtuse asses.