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Interesting perspective. I have an iPad 3rd generation where Apple doesn't allow OS updates and doesn't allow installing a non-Apple browser engine. So it's ess

by olau 4y ago

Interesting perspective. I have an iPad 3rd generation where Apple doesn't allow OS updates and doesn't allow installing a non-Apple browser engine. So it's essentially getting bricked as web sites start relying on features not implemented in the ancient Safari engine on it. Twitter, for instance, refuses to load. Youtube does work okayish, as long as you don't log in. Once it's completely bricked, I'm throwing it out and not getting anything with an Apple logo. Unless something like the EU manages to make them open up.

Retric 4y ago
What 10 year old iPad alternative is still receiving updates? I get the annoyance, but I just don’t know of viable alternatives.
- fsflover 4y ago
  There are none, but PineTab will receive updates forever, since it can run mainline Linux kernel.
- bombcar 4y ago
  I think the argument is that the alternatives can have Linux installed on them (though I suspect a 10 year old iPad can be jailbroken if you want to). 10 years is a dang good run for a tablet; only thing that really can hope to compete would be actual computers.
- bunderbunder 4y ago
  I imagine the argument is that a less locked-down device would be able to receive community support 10 years later. I suspect, though, that that’s optimizing for perfection in rare cases rather than doing better overall. The number of iPads that survive to 10 years is presumably puny. The batteries wear out, they get dropped, etc. I would guess that the number of 2-3 year old devices that get replaced simply because the OS updates stop or the UX gets slow is much greater. And, while community OS and firmware projects do exist, they haven’t made it into the mainstream in any meaningful way, so I doubt they make a dent in overall consumer behavior. In which case, perhaps Apple’s way of doing things is a net win (or at least the lesser of some number of evils) compared to others’ in the aggregate. Hard to say without any hard numbers, though. (Disclaimer: A couple months back I opted to replace the battery on my 2013 MacBook, which is still going strong, instead of buying a new Framework laptop. That may indicate some bias.)
Angostura 4y ago
For context, this model was discontinued 10 years ago

by olau 4y ago

Retric 4y ago

What 10 year old iPad alternative is still receiving updates? I get the annoyance, but I just don’t know of viable alternatives.

fsflover 4y ago
There are none, but PineTab will receive updates forever, since it can run mainline Linux kernel.
bombcar 4y ago
I think the argument is that the alternatives can have Linux installed on them (though I suspect a 10 year old iPad can be jailbroken if you want to). 10 years is a dang good run for a tablet; only thing that really can hope to compete would be actual computers.
bunderbunder 4y ago
I imagine the argument is that a less locked-down device would be able to receive community support 10 years later. I suspect, though, that that’s optimizing for perfection in rare cases rather than doing better overall. The number of iPads that survive to 10 years is presumably puny. The batteries wear out, they get dropped, etc. I would guess that the number of 2-3 year old devices that get replaced simply because the OS updates stop or the UX gets slow is much greater. And, while community OS and firmware projects do exist, they haven’t made it into the mainstream in any meaningful way, so I doubt they make a dent in overall consumer behavior. In which case, perhaps Apple’s way of doing things is a net win (or at least the lesser of some number of evils) compared to others’ in the aggregate. Hard to say without any hard numbers, though. (Disclaimer: A couple months back I opted to replace the battery on my 2013 MacBook, which is still going strong, instead of buying a new Framework laptop. That may indicate some bias.)

Angostura 4y ago

For context, this model was discontinued 10 years ago