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"Requires ios 16.2 or later" - wont this rule out a LOT of users?

Kon-Peki 4y ago
At the moment, yes. In a year, no. So this is a MS OneNote/Apple Notes mashup, right? I'm sure some subset of their user base will love it.
- Tagbert 4y ago
  Not quite OneNote/Notes. It’s more of a collaborative white boarding tool.
alwillis 4y ago
Initially, but by summer 2023, about 70–80% of iOS users will be on a version of iOS newer than 16.2. The next round of Macs will probably ship with Freeform pre-installed. It’s already part of macOS Ventura beta.
- kennend3 4y ago
  Seems like an app with artificial limitations to force an update? What does it NEED 16.2 for?
  - labcomputer 4y ago
    Why does a data scientist NEED pandas version 0.24.7a? Because they want to use some part of the API that didn’t exist in prior versions.
    - kennend3 4y ago
      so what "API" does it need from 16.2? Your response really is a non-answer.
      - altairprime 4y ago
        Apple hasn’t said, but it’s probably to offer the new Pencil 2 features announced a week or two ago for the iPad. (Apple also doesn’t have any particular reason to develop support for 16.0 or 16.1 OSes as their user base will be almost fully updated with a month.)
        kennend3 4y ago
        Thanks! The first person to provide an actual answer.
  - DHPersonal 4y ago
    Not so much force as encourage. Having everyone running the latest version of the software is a good safety measure; it also definitely helps encourage repeat hardware purchases, so it’s not completely altruistic.
  - gort19 4y ago
    It’s a complex app. There is no reason it shouldn’t use something specific to 16.2. If you are suggesting it could have been backported, that’s probably true, but by that logic most software has ‘artificial limitations’. That said, from what I can tell this is part of 16.2 - I.e. it’s a new built-in app on a par with notes or photos. The store entry is just a way to get it back on the Home Screen if you delete it.
  - alwillis 4y ago
    What does it NEED 16.2 for? For perspective, Freeform was announced as a macOS Ventura/iOS 16 feature in June at Apple’s World Wide Developers Conference [1]. It didn’t make the initial releases but it makes sense to require the most current operating system version with the latest bug and security fixes. [1]: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/06/06/apple-previews-new-freeform-app/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/06/06/apple-previews-new-free...
    - Nullabillity 4y ago
      > It didn’t make the initial releases but it makes sense to require the most current operating system version with the latest bug and security fixes. Why? There should be nothing preventing an app built against 16.0 or whatever other version from still working with 16.2, unless Apple is really incompetent and/or malicious?
  - tinus_hn 4y ago
    Sounds like it’s a built in, automatically installed app like Mail that comes with iOS 16.2 and can be removed. If you then want it back it can be reinstalled from the store.
  - crazygringo 4y ago
    Obviously nobody's going to be able to provide you with a definitive answer, but almost certainly because it was built using some API requirement that doesn't exist in 16.1...? And it's quite likely the iOS API wasn't finalized for release until the app was? You don't need conspiratorial thinking about forcing an update to a minor version of an OS for goodness' sake. If Apple wanted to force updates, they wouldn't be doing it via some random app most people have no need for.
    - kennend3 4y ago
      > You don't need conspiratorial thinking about forcing an update to a minor version of an OS for goodness' sake. you dont need to read conspiratorial thinking about a simple question. It just seems odd that it needs 16.2.. not 16.1... I'm very curious as to what this specific release has that the app needs? Normally apps are more closely tied to MAJOR releases, not point updates.
  - Gigachad 4y ago
    List a reason that it shouldn’t need the currently available OS version? There is no downside as every iPad that supports the pencil has this version available.
guestbest 4y ago
I didn’t even know there was an update until I clicked the download button, however my iPhone is telling me I’m on the latest version
- kennend3 4y ago
  Same here. i wanted to check it out and it refused to install. Manually checked and 16.2 is available.
- kennend3 4y ago
  FWIW once i installed 16.2 it was preinstalled.
  - floydnoel 4y ago
    same, I was a little confused what happened until just now!
crazygringo 4y ago
No, why would it? Generally speaking, about two-thirds of iOS users upgrade to the newest version within 2 months. You might be worried about people on old devices who can't upgrade, but this seems designed especially for Pencil users, and as far as I can tell, all iPads that support the Pencil (like the first iPad Pro) support the current version of iOS.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  Apple is super good at supporting the ipads. Around 7 years support for the iPad Air 2.
Tagbert 4y ago
It seems to be aimed at people who are running the beta iOS 16.2 which is expected to ship in December.

At the moment, yes. In a year, no. So this is a MS OneNote/Apple Notes mashup, right? I'm sure some subset of their user base will love it.

Tagbert 4y ago
Not quite OneNote/Notes. It’s more of a collaborative white boarding tool.

alwillis 4y ago

Initially, but by summer 2023, about 70–80% of iOS users will be on a version of iOS newer than 16.2. The next round of Macs will probably ship with Freeform pre-installed. It’s already part of macOS Ventura beta.

kennend3 4y ago
Seems like an app with artificial limitations to force an update? What does it NEED 16.2 for?
- labcomputer 4y ago
  Why does a data scientist NEED pandas version 0.24.7a? Because they want to use some part of the API that didn’t exist in prior versions.
  - kennend3 4y ago
    so what "API" does it need from 16.2? Your response really is a non-answer.
    - altairprime 4y ago
      Apple hasn’t said, but it’s probably to offer the new Pencil 2 features announced a week or two ago for the iPad. (Apple also doesn’t have any particular reason to develop support for 16.0 or 16.1 OSes as their user base will be almost fully updated with a month.)
      - kennend3 4y ago
        Thanks! The first person to provide an actual answer.
- DHPersonal 4y ago
  Not so much force as encourage. Having everyone running the latest version of the software is a good safety measure; it also definitely helps encourage repeat hardware purchases, so it’s not completely altruistic.
- gort19 4y ago
  It’s a complex app. There is no reason it shouldn’t use something specific to 16.2. If you are suggesting it could have been backported, that’s probably true, but by that logic most software has ‘artificial limitations’. That said, from what I can tell this is part of 16.2 - I.e. it’s a new built-in app on a par with notes or photos. The store entry is just a way to get it back on the Home Screen if you delete it.
- alwillis 4y ago
  What does it NEED 16.2 for? For perspective, Freeform was announced as a macOS Ventura/iOS 16 feature in June at Apple’s World Wide Developers Conference [1]. It didn’t make the initial releases but it makes sense to require the most current operating system version with the latest bug and security fixes. [1]: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/06/06/apple-previews-new-freeform-app/ https://www.macrumors.com/2022/06/06/apple-previews-new-free...
  - Nullabillity 4y ago
    > It didn’t make the initial releases but it makes sense to require the most current operating system version with the latest bug and security fixes. Why? There should be nothing preventing an app built against 16.0 or whatever other version from still working with 16.2, unless Apple is really incompetent and/or malicious?
- tinus_hn 4y ago
  Sounds like it’s a built in, automatically installed app like Mail that comes with iOS 16.2 and can be removed. If you then want it back it can be reinstalled from the store.
- crazygringo 4y ago
  Obviously nobody's going to be able to provide you with a definitive answer, but almost certainly because it was built using some API requirement that doesn't exist in 16.1...? And it's quite likely the iOS API wasn't finalized for release until the app was? You don't need conspiratorial thinking about forcing an update to a minor version of an OS for goodness' sake. If Apple wanted to force updates, they wouldn't be doing it via some random app most people have no need for.
  - kennend3 4y ago
    > You don't need conspiratorial thinking about forcing an update to a minor version of an OS for goodness' sake. you dont need to read conspiratorial thinking about a simple question. It just seems odd that it needs 16.2.. not 16.1... I'm very curious as to what this specific release has that the app needs? Normally apps are more closely tied to MAJOR releases, not point updates.
- Gigachad 4y ago
  List a reason that it shouldn’t need the currently available OS version? There is no downside as every iPad that supports the pencil has this version available.

guestbest 4y ago

I didn’t even know there was an update until I clicked the download button, however my iPhone is telling me I’m on the latest version

kennend3 4y ago
Same here. i wanted to check it out and it refused to install. Manually checked and 16.2 is available.
kennend3 4y ago
FWIW once i installed 16.2 it was preinstalled.
- floydnoel 4y ago
  same, I was a little confused what happened until just now!

crazygringo 4y ago

No, why would it? Generally speaking, about two-thirds of iOS users upgrade to the newest version within 2 months. You might be worried about people on old devices who can't upgrade, but this seems designed especially for Pencil users, and as far as I can tell, all iPads that support the Pencil (like the first iPad Pro) support the current version of iOS.

Gigachad 4y ago
Apple is super good at supporting the ipads. Around 7 years support for the iPad Air 2.

Tagbert 4y ago

It seems to be aimed at people who are running the beta iOS 16.2 which is expected to ship in December.