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This looks interesting, thanks for all those warnings, i will stay away from it for now. However the next question would always be which cloud provider to use.

by Tepix 4y ago

This looks interesting, thanks for all those warnings, i will stay away from it for now. However the next question would always be which cloud provider to use. Is OVH cloud archive the cheapest cloud storage for backups in europe? It lets me use scp or rsync, among others. They are charging(§) $0.011/GB for traffic and $0.0024/month/GB for storage. So if my total backup is size 100gb and i upload 5gb per day of incremental backups i pay around $2 per month. -- § https://www.ovhcloud.com/en/public-cloud/prices/#473 https://www.ovhcloud.com/en/public-cloud/prices/#473

_cenw 4y ago
It's pretty hard to beat Hetzner Storage Boxes, if you can live with the fixed provisioning (beyond being able to switch between the tiers). https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box
- ur-whale 4y ago
  > It's pretty hard to beat Hetzner Storage Boxes They had a recent change in pricing ... did you take that into account?
- jacooper 4y ago
  The data resiliency is pretty weak. Its only a single Raid cluster away from losing data.
  - _cenw 4y ago
    This is true, but I already try not to rely too much on one backup target, so it works out for me as yet another replica.
- aborsy 4y ago
  Does Hetzner have a service that nigh work for ZFS receive (beyond dedicated server)?
thesimon 4y ago
Cheap and dirty: Office 365 family plan with 6 account a 1TB each for around $60/year.
- shellfishgene 4y ago
  Seems to be 100$ a year now.
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pmontra 4y ago
Or a small computer with a disk at a friend's home and backup to that. It's cheaper than cloud after one or two years, always less reliable, network speed is probably OK, you can have physical access. If the friend is a techy it could be one among many other little computers in that home. You can reciprocate by hosting his/her backup at your home.
- GekkePrutser 4y ago
  Yeah this is what I do.. One at a friend's house in his rack, the other one elsewhere with an external drive on a raspberry zero 2 :P The good thing is you can add more storage. The bad thing is no enterprise class guarantees of course. But having multiple mitigates that.
- Tepix 4y ago
  That's a charming idea, the question is how far away does your friend live? If it's too far, the upstream bandwidth of residential internet can be a problem during a restore.
jacooper 4y ago
Far from it really. Backblaze is much cheaper, and can have free egress when using Cloudflare with it. There is also Storj, a decentralized storage coin and it gives 150 GB for free + $4/TB with free egress matching what you stored. another one is IDrive E2, it $4/tb, with the first year costing the same as a single month, with egress for free up to about three times the size of what's stored. Hetzners storage boxes are pretty cheap, but that is for a reason. The upload speed is pretty slow outside Hetzners network (from my experience) and more importantly is that data is only protected by a single RAID cluster. They also offer free Unlimited egress. But I would personally go with Backblaze or maybe IDrive.
- Tepix 4y ago
  Sorry but i asked for a european offering, Backblaze is a US company, as is IDrive. I should have been less ambiguous when i wrote "in europe".
  - jacooper 4y ago
    Then yeah, Hetzner or Contabo Object storage seem to be the way to go.
    - Tepix 4y ago
      Well, OVH is a similar price as Hetzner but offers a real storage service (not just DIY) and Contabo is 4x as expensive.
rsync 4y ago
"Is OVH cloud archive the cheapest cloud storage for backups in europe? It lets me use scp or rsync, among others." OVH may, indeed, be the cheapest. If you email[1] and ask for the long-standing "HN Reader Discount" you can get $0.01/GB storage and free usage/bandwidth/transfer. Zurich Equinix ZH4 on init7 pipes. Depending on your preference either [2] or [3] may be the most compelling aspect of our service. [1] info@rsync.net [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26960204 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26960204 [3] https://www.rsync.net/products/universal.html https://www.rsync.net/products/universal.html
- marceldegraaf 4y ago
  Does this discount also apply to the raw ZFS plans at rsync.net? Looking for a reliable and cost efficient place to push my ZFS snapshots via “zfs send”.
  - rsync 4y ago
    Yes, although larger (4TB) account size minimum still applies. Email us ...
- Tepix 4y ago
  Great offer, thanks. Is there an open source backup software you recommend to your clients for encrypted backups?
  - rsync 4y ago
    borg: https://borgbackup.readthedocs.io/en/stable/ https://borgbackup.readthedocs.io/en/stable/ A good description of how it works and why you should use it is here: https://www.stavros.io/posts/holy-grail-backups/ https://www.stavros.io/posts/holy-grail-backups/ Here are a few rsync.net-specific HOWTOs that have been created: https://www.rsync.net/resources/howto/borg.html https://www.rsync.net/resources/howto/borg.html

by Tepix 4y ago

_cenw 4y ago

It's pretty hard to beat Hetzner Storage Boxes, if you can live with the fixed provisioning (beyond being able to switch between the tiers). https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box

ur-whale 4y ago
> It's pretty hard to beat Hetzner Storage Boxes They had a recent change in pricing ... did you take that into account?
jacooper 4y ago
The data resiliency is pretty weak. Its only a single Raid cluster away from losing data.
- _cenw 4y ago
  This is true, but I already try not to rely too much on one backup target, so it works out for me as yet another replica.
aborsy 4y ago
Does Hetzner have a service that nigh work for ZFS receive (beyond dedicated server)?

thesimon 4y ago

Cheap and dirty: Office 365 family plan with 6 account a 1TB each for around $60/year.

shellfishgene 4y ago
Seems to be 100$ a year now.

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pmontra 4y ago

Or a small computer with a disk at a friend's home and backup to that. It's cheaper than cloud after one or two years, always less reliable, network speed is probably OK, you can have physical access. If the friend is a techy it could be one among many other little computers in that home. You can reciprocate by hosting his/her backup at your home.

GekkePrutser 4y ago
Yeah this is what I do.. One at a friend's house in his rack, the other one elsewhere with an external drive on a raspberry zero 2 :P The good thing is you can add more storage. The bad thing is no enterprise class guarantees of course. But having multiple mitigates that.
Tepix 4y ago
That's a charming idea, the question is how far away does your friend live? If it's too far, the upstream bandwidth of residential internet can be a problem during a restore.

jacooper 4y ago

Far from it really. Backblaze is much cheaper, and can have free egress when using Cloudflare with it. There is also Storj, a decentralized storage coin and it gives 150 GB for free + $4/TB with free egress matching what you stored. another one is IDrive E2, it $4/tb, with the first year costing the same as a single month, with egress for free up to about three times the size of what's stored. Hetzners storage boxes are pretty cheap, but that is for a reason. The upload speed is pretty slow outside Hetzners network (from my experience) and more importantly is that data is only protected by a single RAID cluster. They also offer free Unlimited egress. But I would personally go with Backblaze or maybe IDrive.

Tepix 4y ago
Sorry but i asked for a european offering, Backblaze is a US company, as is IDrive. I should have been less ambiguous when i wrote "in europe".
- jacooper 4y ago
  Then yeah, Hetzner or Contabo Object storage seem to be the way to go.
  - Tepix 4y ago
    Well, OVH is a similar price as Hetzner but offers a real storage service (not just DIY) and Contabo is 4x as expensive.

rsync 4y ago

"Is OVH cloud archive the cheapest cloud storage for backups in europe? It lets me use scp or rsync, among others." OVH may, indeed, be the cheapest. If you email[1] and ask for the long-standing "HN Reader Discount" you can get $0.01/GB storage and free usage/bandwidth/transfer. Zurich Equinix ZH4 on init7 pipes. Depending on your preference either [2] or [3] may be the most compelling aspect of our service. [1] info@rsync.net [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26960204 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26960204 [3] https://www.rsync.net/products/universal.html https://www.rsync.net/products/universal.html

marceldegraaf 4y ago
Does this discount also apply to the raw ZFS plans at rsync.net? Looking for a reliable and cost efficient place to push my ZFS snapshots via “zfs send”.
- rsync 4y ago
  Yes, although larger (4TB) account size minimum still applies. Email us ...
Tepix 4y ago
Great offer, thanks. Is there an open source backup software you recommend to your clients for encrypted backups?
- rsync 4y ago
  borg: https://borgbackup.readthedocs.io/en/stable/ https://borgbackup.readthedocs.io/en/stable/ A good description of how it works and why you should use it is here: https://www.stavros.io/posts/holy-grail-backups/ https://www.stavros.io/posts/holy-grail-backups/ Here are a few rsync.net-specific HOWTOs that have been created: https://www.rsync.net/resources/howto/borg.html https://www.rsync.net/resources/howto/borg.html