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Is it seriously your working model of police that they’re frequently given lists of people who download apps and instructed to kill them? That’s how you believe

Is it seriously your working model of police that they’re frequently given lists of people who download apps and instructed to kill them? That’s how you believe policing works? I know the BLM astroturfing had a profound effect on the rest of the internet, but it’s disappointing to see such a skewed version of reality presented here on HN. I just downloaded the app. Bring on the marauders. If they end up blasting me, you can start a charity in my honor, Vogt.

willcipriano 4y ago
The FBI was recently kicking in journalists doors because they had seen, not stolen or even published, Bidens daughter's diary. If somebody in power wants to make a name for themselves by starting a "war on cat thieves" or similar you may face the same treatment.
- TheHypnotist 4y ago
  "Journalists" meaning Project Veritas well known for edited videos and a failed attempt to sting a major media outlet. The people that were arrested accepted money from PV for the stolen property. Nice try.
93po 4y ago
It is an accurate model that police frequently bust down the doors of people who are suspected of a crime based only on a third party's report, and not because of any investigation or probable cause. It's also accurate that police are trained to escalate extremely quickly, including the use of lethal force. And it's accurate that policing has a culture of unapologetic lethal force.
- joenot443 4y ago
  One would have to have their head in the sand the last couple years to have not heard these kind of stories. I'd hope that people on this site would still be able to infer that legally downloading an app isn't enough to trigger that kind of response in literally any US jurisdiction. The world is a scary place, cops can be bastards, and terrible things have happened, but it's straight up hyperbole and nonsense to pretend that a random internet nerd is going to get killed by police because they downloaded an app. I downloaded it (it's crap, as expected), so if I'm wrong on this then I'm willing to face the music, yet somehow I think I'll sleep fine at night.
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vogt 4y ago
I had a pretty snarky reply that I made and then deleted, because I went to your profile and looked at your Twitter account and honestly, I think we have quite a bit in common and would probably get along on most issues. And also, I really like your music. Looking back on the wording of my original reply, it was too hyperbolic. My post was not meant as an "ACAB, the police are literally here to kill you on behalf of rich old men". My position is that the fewer opportunities for folks to be thrown into a pile of suspects for the police or any other law enforcement institution like the FBI, the better. I'm in favor of the police being able to subpoena Apple and Google for user data if there's reasonable, articulable suspicion those users committed a crime. To me, simply downloading a publicly available app in the app store does not satisfy that condition.

willcipriano 4y ago

The FBI was recently kicking in journalists doors because they had seen, not stolen or even published, Bidens daughter's diary. If somebody in power wants to make a name for themselves by starting a "war on cat thieves" or similar you may face the same treatment.

TheHypnotist 4y ago
"Journalists" meaning Project Veritas well known for edited videos and a failed attempt to sting a major media outlet. The people that were arrested accepted money from PV for the stolen property. Nice try.

93po 4y ago

It is an accurate model that police frequently bust down the doors of people who are suspected of a crime based only on a third party's report, and not because of any investigation or probable cause. It's also accurate that police are trained to escalate extremely quickly, including the use of lethal force. And it's accurate that policing has a culture of unapologetic lethal force.

joenot443 4y ago
One would have to have their head in the sand the last couple years to have not heard these kind of stories. I'd hope that people on this site would still be able to infer that legally downloading an app isn't enough to trigger that kind of response in literally any US jurisdiction. The world is a scary place, cops can be bastards, and terrible things have happened, but it's straight up hyperbole and nonsense to pretend that a random internet nerd is going to get killed by police because they downloaded an app. I downloaded it (it's crap, as expected), so if I'm wrong on this then I'm willing to face the music, yet somehow I think I'll sleep fine at night.

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vogt 4y ago

I had a pretty snarky reply that I made and then deleted, because I went to your profile and looked at your Twitter account and honestly, I think we have quite a bit in common and would probably get along on most issues. And also, I really like your music. Looking back on the wording of my original reply, it was too hyperbolic. My post was not meant as an "ACAB, the police are literally here to kill you on behalf of rich old men". My position is that the fewer opportunities for folks to be thrown into a pile of suspects for the police or any other law enforcement institution like the FBI, the better. I'm in favor of the police being able to subpoena Apple and Google for user data if there's reasonable, articulable suspicion those users committed a crime. To me, simply downloading a publicly available app in the app store does not satisfy that condition.