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> Do you plan on giving Zig a try? (They seem to be doing a lot right.) All this Zig spam is getting very tiring.

by simplotek 4y ago

klodolph 4y ago
In a conversation about languages with this kind of C interop, how can you omit Zig?
- simplotek 4y ago
  > In a conversation about languages with this kind of C interop It's not. It's a discussion about "the C compiler built into the Digital Mars D compiler". Please stop with all the Zig spam.
  - primeblue 4y ago
  - pverghese 4y ago
    Instead of being petulant about it, you could ignore it and move on
    - 10241024 4y ago
      Hard to ignore it when it's always in your face: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33331549 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33331549 I don't mind languages getting hyped but seeing posts every week on the front page of HN about an unstable esoteric language with 0 adoption - yes, it's getting tiring.
      - pverghese 4y ago
        How come it's always accounts made a few days ago which seem too have this problem with other people's interests
        10241024 4y ago
        Literally from the thread I shared: - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33337381 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33337381 (posted from a 12-year-old account) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33333904 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33333904 (posted from a 2-year-old account)
        kristoff_it 4y ago
        10241024 is without a doubt our friendly neighbor troll https://gist.github.com/andrewrk/9aed922a6210e57243af8be8d10fba50 https://gist.github.com/andrewrk/9aed922a6210e57243af8be8d10... simplotek is most probably a legitimate user annoyed by Zig news. I don't agree with their point, for what it's worth, but at least it's an opinion shared earnestly, unlike the troll.
      - klodolph 4y ago
        Maybe you should appeal to the community and tell people to stop upvoting it, and explain why it’s wrong for them to think Zig is interesting.
    - simplotek 4y ago
      > Instead of being petulant about it, you could ignore it and move o Not wanting to see gratuitous self-promoting spam degrading the signal/noise ratio of an otherwise interesting discussion is hardly petulance. Replace any Zig reference shoe-horned into this discussion with, say, Java, and see if you have any point.
boundchecked 4y ago
Reminds me of this post just from few days ago[1]. I wish HN had a rule or two dedicated to PL tribalism. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33382003 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33382003
primeblue 4y ago
cxr 4y ago
It's not "Zig spam" to ask, in direct response to a compiler guy who has just stated that they have not tried it yet, whether they plan to. For further context, the video I linked to is Walter showing up to a C++ users group to present a talk about the D compiler infrastructure—again, at a C++ event, for a bunch of C++ programmers. Considering that, if what I've done here by asking the natural follow up question is a faux pas, then I hesitate to conceive of what you must think of those actions by the person I'm asking it of. Even all that aside, comparing and contrasting contemporaries in a similar space is natural. That's just, like, scholarship, you know? Imagine someone who's defending their thesis responding to a question about alternatives to their research by getting into a big huff about it. That'd be pretty silly, right? And the comments about "PL tribalism" are a little odd, then, since the most tribalistic behavior we have evidence for in this thread is someone reacting exactly like this. As a fan of Walter's contributions, including D, in the past I've gone so far as to put a non-trivial amount of effort into polishing the articles on D, Walter, and Digital Mars on Wikipedia. Meanwhile, I've never even written a Zig program, dude; if there's a tribe I belong to, it's not Zig.
- simplotek 4y ago
  > It's not "Zig spam" to ask (...) It is Zig spam, not because of the discussion or the question or the topic of the time of day. It's Zig spam because it's yet another Zig post among the barrage of Zig posts desperately shoe-horning offtopic gratuitous references to Zig. It's tiring and adds nothing to any discussion. If you feel that strongly about the need to promote Zig, submit discussions. Please don't spam each and any top submission with these gratuitous references.
  - kitd 4y ago
    It's not off-topic though. D has the facility to compile C projects, as has Zig. OP asked a genuine question about whether Walter Bright was able to compare experiences.
  - cxr 4y ago
    Please don't blow past the comments already addressing your complaint. What I responded to was a comment from D's own creator who himself directly mentioned Zig. I didn't shoe-horn shit. I've been waiting a long time for a hit on Corncob TV. If you're upset about Zig mentioned here, your quarrel is not with me, the person who spent over half the words in their comment bringing it back to the original topic by linking to a useful talk; your quarrel is with, if anyone, the original questioner who got Walter to comment on Zig. (And even then, your ire would be tenuous at best, for the reasons already mentioned.) I also cannot "feel that strongly about the need to promote Zig"—because I am not promoting Zig. As I have already said, D is closer to my tribe than Zig is.
odiroot 4y ago
Have you heard of Rust?
- nicoburns 4y ago
  If they've heard of zig, then they've almost certainly heard of Rust. I generally prefer Rust, but C interop is something that zig does significantly better.
Tozen 4y ago
Agree about the excessive spam. To include attacks and bashing of other programming languages. It's very obvious what's going on and looks like it's going over the top, as if a concerted effort and mode of operation.

> Do you plan on giving Zig a try? (They seem to be doing a lot right.) All this Zig spam is getting very tiring.

klodolph 4y ago

In a conversation about languages with this kind of C interop, how can you omit Zig?

simplotek 4y ago
> In a conversation about languages with this kind of C interop It's not. It's a discussion about "the C compiler built into the Digital Mars D compiler". Please stop with all the Zig spam.
- primeblue 4y ago
- pverghese 4y ago
  Instead of being petulant about it, you could ignore it and move on
  - 10241024 4y ago
    Hard to ignore it when it's always in your face: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33331549 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33331549 I don't mind languages getting hyped but seeing posts every week on the front page of HN about an unstable esoteric language with 0 adoption - yes, it's getting tiring.
    - pverghese 4y ago
      How come it's always accounts made a few days ago which seem too have this problem with other people's interests
      - 10241024 4y ago
        Literally from the thread I shared: - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33337381 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33337381 (posted from a 12-year-old account) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33333904 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33333904 (posted from a 2-year-old account)
      - kristoff_it 4y ago
        10241024 is without a doubt our friendly neighbor troll https://gist.github.com/andrewrk/9aed922a6210e57243af8be8d10fba50 https://gist.github.com/andrewrk/9aed922a6210e57243af8be8d10... simplotek is most probably a legitimate user annoyed by Zig news. I don't agree with their point, for what it's worth, but at least it's an opinion shared earnestly, unlike the troll.
    - klodolph 4y ago
      Maybe you should appeal to the community and tell people to stop upvoting it, and explain why it’s wrong for them to think Zig is interesting.
  - simplotek 4y ago
    > Instead of being petulant about it, you could ignore it and move o Not wanting to see gratuitous self-promoting spam degrading the signal/noise ratio of an otherwise interesting discussion is hardly petulance. Replace any Zig reference shoe-horned into this discussion with, say, Java, and see if you have any point.

boundchecked 4y ago

Reminds me of this post just from few days ago[1]. I wish HN had a rule or two dedicated to PL tribalism. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33382003 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33382003

primeblue 4y ago

cxr 4y ago

It's not "Zig spam" to ask, in direct response to a compiler guy who has just stated that they have not tried it yet, whether they plan to. For further context, the video I linked to is Walter showing up to a C++ users group to present a talk about the D compiler infrastructure—again, at a C++ event, for a bunch of C++ programmers. Considering that, if what I've done here by asking the natural follow up question is a faux pas, then I hesitate to conceive of what you must think of those actions by the person I'm asking it of. Even all that aside, comparing and contrasting contemporaries in a similar space is natural. That's just, like, scholarship, you know? Imagine someone who's defending their thesis responding to a question about alternatives to their research by getting into a big huff about it. That'd be pretty silly, right? And the comments about "PL tribalism" are a little odd, then, since the most tribalistic behavior we have evidence for in this thread is someone reacting exactly like this. As a fan of Walter's contributions, including D, in the past I've gone so far as to put a non-trivial amount of effort into polishing the articles on D, Walter, and Digital Mars on Wikipedia. Meanwhile, I've never even written a Zig program, dude; if there's a tribe I belong to, it's not Zig.

simplotek 4y ago
> It's not "Zig spam" to ask (...) It is Zig spam, not because of the discussion or the question or the topic of the time of day. It's Zig spam because it's yet another Zig post among the barrage of Zig posts desperately shoe-horning offtopic gratuitous references to Zig. It's tiring and adds nothing to any discussion. If you feel that strongly about the need to promote Zig, submit discussions. Please don't spam each and any top submission with these gratuitous references.
- kitd 4y ago
  It's not off-topic though. D has the facility to compile C projects, as has Zig. OP asked a genuine question about whether Walter Bright was able to compare experiences.
- cxr 4y ago
  Please don't blow past the comments already addressing your complaint. What I responded to was a comment from D's own creator who himself directly mentioned Zig. I didn't shoe-horn shit. I've been waiting a long time for a hit on Corncob TV. If you're upset about Zig mentioned here, your quarrel is not with me, the person who spent over half the words in their comment bringing it back to the original topic by linking to a useful talk; your quarrel is with, if anyone, the original questioner who got Walter to comment on Zig. (And even then, your ire would be tenuous at best, for the reasons already mentioned.) I also cannot "feel that strongly about the need to promote Zig"—because I am not promoting Zig. As I have already said, D is closer to my tribe than Zig is.

odiroot 4y ago

Have you heard of Rust?

nicoburns 4y ago
If they've heard of zig, then they've almost certainly heard of Rust. I generally prefer Rust, but C interop is something that zig does significantly better.

Tozen 4y ago

Agree about the excessive spam. To include attacks and bashing of other programming languages. It's very obvious what's going on and looks like it's going over the top, as if a concerted effort and mode of operation.