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Browser support: - JPEG XL: none - HEIF: none - AVIF: all but Edge - WebP: all

by sedatk 4y ago

plantain 4y ago
JPEG-XL is already implemented in ~95% of browsers in the wild (Chrome, Edge, Opera and Firefox), just only behind a flag.
- sedatk 4y ago
  And it'll stay unsupported until those flags come on by default.
- anthropodie 4y ago
  Chrome Banishes Photo Format That Could Save Space on Your Phone https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/chrome-banishes-photo-format-that-could-save-space-on-your-phone/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/chrome-banishes-photo-fo...
- nine_k 4y ago
  The point of the article is that Chrome removes the experimental, behind-a-flag support of JPEG XL, which dramatically decreases the reach of JPEG XL, so yo say.
- MagnumOpus 4y ago
  That list seems desktop centric - more browsing happens on the mobile. Hence Safari is a glaring omission on your list... Until Safari for iOS implements JPEG-XL, it is sadly not ready for mass deployment.
chrisco255 4y ago
Browser support for AVIF and Webp happened when? Browsers evolve over time.
- sedatk 4y ago
  I don't remember claiming otherwise. You just can't use it on web today, that's it.
eslaught 4y ago
I was a little surprised about AVIF, so I looked it up and it doesn't seem to be quite there yet (though it's getting there). macOS Safari requires Ventura, and no support yet on Edge. https://caniuse.com/avif https://caniuse.com/avif
- sedatk 4y ago
  You're right I missed Edge, but Safari seems to have "partial support" whatever that means.
  - alwillis 4y ago
    Safari 16 didn’t support animated AVIF but 16.1 does.
    - jonsneyers 4y ago
      Firefox still doesn't support animated AVIF, or does it now?
- Nathanba 4y ago
  that looks really nice, very sad that Edge chooses to go another route here. They use chromium code... if Edge starts supporting AVIF I'll start using AVIF.
- peppermint_gum 4y ago
  The funny thing about AVIF support in Chrome is that, unlike JPEG XL, there was no experimental period. It was enabled by default from the beginning (in Chrome 85).
  - chungy 4y ago
    AVIF practically comes along "for free" by just having AV1 support in the first place.
maxloh 4y ago
Why don't Edge support AVIF? Isn't it a downstream of Chromium?
nine_k 4y ago
I wonder what is the Mozilla's position on JPEG XL.
- izacus 4y ago
  Mozilla is one of the founding members of AoM backing AVIF/AV1. They're shipping AVIF support enlabled. The JPEG-XL bug hasn't received any news or updates for at least a year now and the support is disabled on all stable builds (meaning: you can't even enable it with a flag since it's not compiled in). You can enable a flag on nightlies.
  - jonsneyers 4y ago
    It hasn't received news or updates because it has been locked. Basically Mozilla's position seems to be that they're not going to do anything on this front until Chrome does it first. I can only assume the decision makers at Mozilla feel the need to "prove their loyalty to the AOM", just like the Chrome codec devs, by blocking non-AOM codecs, in particular JXL.
    - KingMob 4y ago
      Or, they just don't have the resources, market share, or interest to fight this battle. I can think of many better things FF should do other than try to push forward a new image format.
      - JyrkiAlakuijala 4y ago
        It is not a battle, everyone wants the same: to create the best experience for all the internet users by using free software. We can arrive to the best solution by listening, by creating and studying the evidence, and by discussion.
    - hypothesis 4y ago
      Sad joke was that they are waiting for an “alternative implementation”, yet I’m still shocked that Mozilla people are alluding to that elsewhere in this very thread. Unbelievable…
Tomte 4y ago
I'd have expected HEIF to be implemented in Safari, at the very least mobile Safari. Did Apple really not include their native image format on recent iPhones?
- alwillis 4y ago
  HEIF is the default format for the iOS Camera app and has been since at least 2018.
  - Tomte 4y ago
    Yes, exactly. So it's pretty much the standard image format on the iPhone. So I was wondering if/why it's not also part of Safari.
- pornel 4y ago
  AVIF is based on HEIF + free codec. Apple's HEIC is HEIF + commercial patent-encumbered codec libre browsers are not allowed to use.
izacus 4y ago
As mentioned above, Safari 16 is shipping with AVIF support so Edge is the last holdout.

Browser support: - JPEG XL: none - HEIF: none - AVIF: all but Edge - WebP: all

by sedatk 4y ago

Browser support: - JPEG XL: none - HEIF: none - AVIF: all but Edge - WebP: all

JPEG-XL is already implemented in ~95% of browsers in the wild (Chrome, Edge, Opera and Firefox), just only behind a flag.

sedatk 4y ago
And it'll stay unsupported until those flags come on by default.
anthropodie 4y ago
Chrome Banishes Photo Format That Could Save Space on Your Phone https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/chrome-banishes-photo-format-that-could-save-space-on-your-phone/ https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/chrome-banishes-photo-fo...
nine_k 4y ago
The point of the article is that Chrome removes the experimental, behind-a-flag support of JPEG XL, which dramatically decreases the reach of JPEG XL, so yo say.
MagnumOpus 4y ago
That list seems desktop centric - more browsing happens on the mobile. Hence Safari is a glaring omission on your list... Until Safari for iOS implements JPEG-XL, it is sadly not ready for mass deployment.

chrisco255 4y ago

Browser support for AVIF and Webp happened when? Browsers evolve over time.

sedatk 4y ago
I don't remember claiming otherwise. You just can't use it on web today, that's it.

eslaught 4y ago

I was a little surprised about AVIF, so I looked it up and it doesn't seem to be quite there yet (though it's getting there). macOS Safari requires Ventura, and no support yet on Edge. https://caniuse.com/avif https://caniuse.com/avif

sedatk 4y ago
You're right I missed Edge, but Safari seems to have "partial support" whatever that means.
- alwillis 4y ago
  Safari 16 didn’t support animated AVIF but 16.1 does.
  - jonsneyers 4y ago
    Firefox still doesn't support animated AVIF, or does it now?
Nathanba 4y ago
that looks really nice, very sad that Edge chooses to go another route here. They use chromium code... if Edge starts supporting AVIF I'll start using AVIF.
peppermint_gum 4y ago
The funny thing about AVIF support in Chrome is that, unlike JPEG XL, there was no experimental period. It was enabled by default from the beginning (in Chrome 85).
- chungy 4y ago
  AVIF practically comes along "for free" by just having AV1 support in the first place.

maxloh 4y ago

Why don't Edge support AVIF? Isn't it a downstream of Chromium?

nine_k 4y ago

I wonder what is the Mozilla's position on JPEG XL.

izacus 4y ago
Mozilla is one of the founding members of AoM backing AVIF/AV1. They're shipping AVIF support enlabled. The JPEG-XL bug hasn't received any news or updates for at least a year now and the support is disabled on all stable builds (meaning: you can't even enable it with a flag since it's not compiled in). You can enable a flag on nightlies.
- jonsneyers 4y ago
  It hasn't received news or updates because it has been locked. Basically Mozilla's position seems to be that they're not going to do anything on this front until Chrome does it first. I can only assume the decision makers at Mozilla feel the need to "prove their loyalty to the AOM", just like the Chrome codec devs, by blocking non-AOM codecs, in particular JXL.
  - KingMob 4y ago
    Or, they just don't have the resources, market share, or interest to fight this battle. I can think of many better things FF should do other than try to push forward a new image format.
    - JyrkiAlakuijala 4y ago
      It is not a battle, everyone wants the same: to create the best experience for all the internet users by using free software. We can arrive to the best solution by listening, by creating and studying the evidence, and by discussion.
  - hypothesis 4y ago
    Sad joke was that they are waiting for an “alternative implementation”, yet I’m still shocked that Mozilla people are alluding to that elsewhere in this very thread. Unbelievable…

Tomte 4y ago

I'd have expected HEIF to be implemented in Safari, at the very least mobile Safari. Did Apple really not include their native image format on recent iPhones?

alwillis 4y ago
HEIF is the default format for the iOS Camera app and has been since at least 2018.
- Tomte 4y ago
  Yes, exactly. So it's pretty much the standard image format on the iPhone. So I was wondering if/why it's not also part of Safari.
pornel 4y ago
AVIF is based on HEIF + free codec. Apple's HEIC is HEIF + commercial patent-encumbered codec libre browsers are not allowed to use.

izacus 4y ago

As mentioned above, Safari 16 is shipping with AVIF support so Edge is the last holdout.