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>He’d be super nice to the diver (who told Elon to stick a submarine up his ass). Pulling a publicity stunt while people's lives were literally on a deadline w

>He’d be super nice to the diver (who told Elon to stick a submarine up his ass). Pulling a publicity stunt while people's lives were literally on a deadline was not helpful, and only served to distract the professionals involved in the rescue. Throwing a tantrum and calling the diver a paedophile when they declined (on the basis that the submarine would not be able to fit into the caves and thus would be unfit for purpose, assuming it could even be built before the trapped group were killed by the monsoon) was a spectacularly awful move. And that's just one of the many fiascos he's been involved in. Elon may be a successful businessman but he is also a disaster of a human being and has thoroughly earned any "haters" he may possess.

marcusverus 4y ago
> Pulling a publicity stunt while people's lives were literally on a deadline was not helpful, and only served to distract the professionals involved in the rescue. So was everyone who offered to help the trapped kids presumed to be a self-serving asshole for doing so, or only Elon? > Throwing a tantrum and calling the diver a paedophile when they declined (on the basis that the submarine would not be able to fit into the caves and thus would be unfit for purpose, assuming it could even be built before the trapped group were killed by the monsoon) was a spectacularly awful move. But the diver didn't just decline. He declined and told Elon to stick the submarine up his ass on national television. In that context, Elon's reply is childish, sure, but you'll have to explain what makes it "spectacularly awful" and/or a "fiasco". > Elon may be a successful businessman but he is also a disaster of a human being Help me to understand the standard by which I can judge whether someone is a "disaster of a human being". Is one bad tweet sufficient? Or one bad tweet and one bad prediction regarding future tech? How many judgmental internet posts would be required to hit the standard? I'm genuinely curious.
- rlt 4y ago
  > Help me to understand the standard by which I can judge whether someone is a "disaster of a human being" From the abrupt change in discourse about Elon in the last couple years, I assume most are judging him by his politics he recently started expressing.
- waste_monk 4y ago
  >So was everyone who offered to help the trapped kids presumed to be a self-serving asshole for doing so, or only Elon? I'm sure the offers of help from experienced cave divers, folk who could help with logistical support, etc. were appreciated. Even the SpaceX engineers and supplies Elon sent were probably appreciated (I could not find anything about them actually being used, although I did not search extensively). A techbro CEO throwing out half-baked whimsical bullshit ideas for social media attention, not so much. Not to mention personally injecting himself into the situation, touring the rescue site, and otherwise getting in the way of the rescue workers. >In that context, Elon's reply is childish, sure, but you'll have to explain what makes it "spectacularly awful" and/or a "fiasco". Falsely accusing someone of being a paedophile is not just childish, if taken seriously it can completely derail a person's life, get them fired from their job, turn them into a social pariah, and even result in them being assaulted or killed by vigilantes. Thankfully no one took Elon seriously. Even if the diver was impolite when calling Elon out on the submarine thing, it was a completely disproportionate escalation. >Help me to understand the standard by which I can judge whether someone is a "disaster of a human being". Making such judgements can be complex. But attempting to socially destroy a person who is literally risking their life [1] to rescue children from certain death because they were mildly rude when rebuking them for being an attention-seeking twit is about as clear a signal as you can get. [1] and that was not a hypothetical risk, two of the other divers involved died either directly during or later as a result of injuries sustained during the rescue.
  - mlindner 4y ago
    > I'm sure the offers of help from experienced cave divers, folk who could help with logistical support, etc. were appreciated. Even the SpaceX engineers and supplies Elon sent were probably appreciated (I could not find anything about them actually being used, although I did not search extensively). Elon/SpaceX's offer to help _was_ in fact appreciated by the lead diver.

marcusverus 4y ago

> Pulling a publicity stunt while people's lives were literally on a deadline was not helpful, and only served to distract the professionals involved in the rescue. So was everyone who offered to help the trapped kids presumed to be a self-serving asshole for doing so, or only Elon? > Throwing a tantrum and calling the diver a paedophile when they declined (on the basis that the submarine would not be able to fit into the caves and thus would be unfit for purpose, assuming it could even be built before the trapped group were killed by the monsoon) was a spectacularly awful move. But the diver didn't just decline. He declined and told Elon to stick the submarine up his ass on national television. In that context, Elon's reply is childish, sure, but you'll have to explain what makes it "spectacularly awful" and/or a "fiasco". > Elon may be a successful businessman but he is also a disaster of a human being Help me to understand the standard by which I can judge whether someone is a "disaster of a human being". Is one bad tweet sufficient? Or one bad tweet and one bad prediction regarding future tech? How many judgmental internet posts would be required to hit the standard? I'm genuinely curious.

rlt 4y ago
> Help me to understand the standard by which I can judge whether someone is a "disaster of a human being" From the abrupt change in discourse about Elon in the last couple years, I assume most are judging him by his politics he recently started expressing.
waste_monk 4y ago
>So was everyone who offered to help the trapped kids presumed to be a self-serving asshole for doing so, or only Elon? I'm sure the offers of help from experienced cave divers, folk who could help with logistical support, etc. were appreciated. Even the SpaceX engineers and supplies Elon sent were probably appreciated (I could not find anything about them actually being used, although I did not search extensively). A techbro CEO throwing out half-baked whimsical bullshit ideas for social media attention, not so much. Not to mention personally injecting himself into the situation, touring the rescue site, and otherwise getting in the way of the rescue workers. >In that context, Elon's reply is childish, sure, but you'll have to explain what makes it "spectacularly awful" and/or a "fiasco". Falsely accusing someone of being a paedophile is not just childish, if taken seriously it can completely derail a person's life, get them fired from their job, turn them into a social pariah, and even result in them being assaulted or killed by vigilantes. Thankfully no one took Elon seriously. Even if the diver was impolite when calling Elon out on the submarine thing, it was a completely disproportionate escalation. >Help me to understand the standard by which I can judge whether someone is a "disaster of a human being". Making such judgements can be complex. But attempting to socially destroy a person who is literally risking their life [1] to rescue children from certain death because they were mildly rude when rebuking them for being an attention-seeking twit is about as clear a signal as you can get. [1] and that was not a hypothetical risk, two of the other divers involved died either directly during or later as a result of injuries sustained during the rescue.
- mlindner 4y ago
  > I'm sure the offers of help from experienced cave divers, folk who could help with logistical support, etc. were appreciated. Even the SpaceX engineers and supplies Elon sent were probably appreciated (I could not find anything about them actually being used, although I did not search extensively). Elon/SpaceX's offer to help _was_ in fact appreciated by the lead diver.