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I have no problem with being labeled a tankie. So save that for the American discourse. It has absolutely no effect in my country. ... Its only insane because

I have no problem with being labeled a tankie. So save that for the American discourse. It has absolutely no effect in my country. ... Its only insane because you have no knowledge of actual history, less, the actual declassified documents of the USSR and instead 'know' things based on the cold war propaganda that you sucked up over the years. Like how 'propaganda' was something that only 'others' did, and there was 'free press' in 'the West.

_kbh_ 4y ago
> Its only insane because you have no knowledge of actual history You realise that Russia and the USSR lied nearly constantly right? And you can hear about it from like hundreds of millions of post soviet citizens?. I mean it’s gotta be beyond clear to anyone that Russia lies to its own citizens there soldiers dug defences in one of the most radioactive parts of the world.
- unity1001 4y ago
  > You realise that Russia and the USSR lied nearly constantly right? No. We dont. That's what the American propaganda tells us. Not the circumstances and actual declassified documents. Character assassination, nothing else. > hundreds of millions of post soviet citizens?. Hundreds of millions of post soviet citizens do not say anything like that. https://www.thetrumpet.com/18312-poll-two-thirds-of-russians-miss-the-soviet-union https://www.thetrumpet.com/18312-poll-two-thirds-of-russians... > I mean it’s gotta be beyond clear to anyone that Russia lies That's a religious statement. Nothing else. The US lied about nonexistent WMDs for EIGHT years. And yet, its propaganda is the one that's being trusted to determine the trustworthiness of others. That's just crazy.
  - _kbh_ 4y ago
    > The US lied about nonexistent WMDs for EIGHT years. And yet, its propaganda is the one that's being trusted to determine the trustworthiness of others. That's just crazy. You realise multiple countries can lie? its not a zero sum game?. So if Russia doesn't lie can you explain this?. https://tass.com/politics/1400517 https://tass.com/politics/1400517 >> Russian MFA says Russia won’t invade Ukraine, blames US for ‘aggressive plans’
    - unity1001 4y ago
      > You realise multiple countries can lie? 'Can' lie is not the same as 'using lying as a policy tool'. The Angloamerican establishment have been doing it for so long that they have a nickname in diplomacy and political science that goes 200 years back. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfidious_Albion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfidious_Albion >> So if Russia doesn't lie can you explain this?. It was later revealed that Russia was doing 'maneuvers' at the border to force the Ukrainian government to give up invading the Russian speaking breakaway regions like it did 5-10 times in the last 8 years. Russia expected the Ukrainian government to do the same again, but this time they seem to have chosen to go ahead due to US pressure.
      - _kbh_ 4y ago
        > It was later revealed that Russia was doing 'maneuvers' at the border to force the Ukrainian government to give up invading the Russian speaking breakaway regions like it did 5-10 times in the last 8 years Those regions are part of Ukraine you cannot invade yourself. > Russia expected the Ukrainian government to do the same again, but this time they seem to have chosen to go ahead due to US pressure. You’re really determined to defend Russia on every front aren’t you?. I’m just glad that most people know the truth and that your clear propaganda is failing. I presume you believe Ukraine has black magic battalions and biologically engineered super soldiers as well?. Because that’s what Russian media has been reporting.
      - HyperSane 4y ago
        Whatever happened to your brain is tragic.
HyperSane 4y ago
Believing the USSR never lied is like Believing Trump has never lied in his life. In actually both lied/lie all the time.
- unity1001 4y ago
  > Believing I dont 'believe'. We have their declassified records. We know what they did, what they decided to do. We know that they withheld information or the truth. But we know that they did not lie or misrepresent because they decided the risk of getting caught was too high. This is not a matter of belief, its what they decided. 'They lied' is the cold war propaganda of their enemy. Whose entire propaganda has been based on lies for over 60 years. And amazingly, the village liar is calling everyone else liars and the villagers just BELIEVE it.
  - HyperSane 4y ago
    "But we know that they did not lie or misrepresent " You are detached from reality. " We know what they did" Yeh, they lied about everything all the time * Chernobyl * Korean Air Lines Flight 007 * The Katyn massacre * Soviet government always claimed that people’s living conditions in the Western countries were worse than in the Soviet Union. As they say, the bigger the lie the more they’ll believe in it…until you see the evidence to the contrary. In 1939, Finland successfully fought off the Soviet Union in the Winter War. Finland had gained independence in 1917 and built a social democracy, geared towards the needs of its people. Few Soviet people who visited Finland in 1980s thought they landed on another planet. And then they had to return to the USSR and listen to fairy tales about the “socialist paradise.” A children’s movie “Mikko from Tampere Asks for Advice” was a joint Soviet-Finnish production that came out in 1986. On the surface, it was stock propaganda patronizing the “little nation.” Finnish boy Mikko wants to meet a famous Soviet cat tamer, Kuklachev so he could teach him how to take care of his cat. The film director went for realism and shot many scenes in Finland, inadvertently allowing millions of Soviet children (including this author) to have a glimpse of their peers‘ lives behind the Iron Curtain. Let’s take a close look at some scenes from the movie to understand why it caused such an uproar among the Soviet children and their parents. Mikke’s dad works as a driver. The driver’s family is supposed to share a communal apartment with ten families, yet they live in their own private house, which is not a one-room-plus-kitchen country cottage with an outhouse toilet either. There are at least three rooms in the house! There is a living room with wonderful, bright furniture. The concept of living room was novel to Soviet people so many of them were wondering where are the beds. The driver’s family house also had a dining room with a large cool table and beautiful bright chairs for all the family members. Dining room was also a novel concept to most of the Soviet viewers: they cooked and ate in the kitchen. And lo and behold, there is the second floor with a nice, painted staircase! Soviet children expected to see an attic with a tiny room upstairs. Mikko had his own comfortable room, and what was really hard to swallow - his own bathroom! Viewers weren't looking at Mikko dad’s minivan. All eyes were on the surrounding houses. They looked beautiful and neat, no Soviet flaky wall paint that was always explained by “we have a cold climate.” Mikko plays in the children's band. The children have all the musical instruments that they needed. Mikko’s dad bought him a guitar and wasn’t humiliated with sorrowful stories about the Soviet state and Comrade Gorbachev personally taking care of the children of the world, so there’s nothing left for him. Soviet children immediately paid attention to how Finnish children were dressed: jeans, fashionable pants, bright and colorful print t-shirts. No scary school uniform made of ugly synthetic-wool fabric. Bright clothes, bicycles, their own rooms, interesting hobbies - all these things Finnish children had without having to listen to stories about the leading role of the Communist Party and the "international duty" in Afghanistan. In other words, they had a great life without 24/7 propaganda. Five years later the Soviet Union had run out of magic tricks and ended its short but eventful existence.

_kbh_ 4y ago

> Its only insane because you have no knowledge of actual history You realise that Russia and the USSR lied nearly constantly right? And you can hear about it from like hundreds of millions of post soviet citizens?. I mean it’s gotta be beyond clear to anyone that Russia lies to its own citizens there soldiers dug defences in one of the most radioactive parts of the world.

unity1001 4y ago
> You realise that Russia and the USSR lied nearly constantly right? No. We dont. That's what the American propaganda tells us. Not the circumstances and actual declassified documents. Character assassination, nothing else. > hundreds of millions of post soviet citizens?. Hundreds of millions of post soviet citizens do not say anything like that. https://www.thetrumpet.com/18312-poll-two-thirds-of-russians-miss-the-soviet-union https://www.thetrumpet.com/18312-poll-two-thirds-of-russians... > I mean it’s gotta be beyond clear to anyone that Russia lies That's a religious statement. Nothing else. The US lied about nonexistent WMDs for EIGHT years. And yet, its propaganda is the one that's being trusted to determine the trustworthiness of others. That's just crazy.
- _kbh_ 4y ago
  > The US lied about nonexistent WMDs for EIGHT years. And yet, its propaganda is the one that's being trusted to determine the trustworthiness of others. That's just crazy. You realise multiple countries can lie? its not a zero sum game?. So if Russia doesn't lie can you explain this?. https://tass.com/politics/1400517 https://tass.com/politics/1400517 >> Russian MFA says Russia won’t invade Ukraine, blames US for ‘aggressive plans’
  - unity1001 4y ago
    > You realise multiple countries can lie? 'Can' lie is not the same as 'using lying as a policy tool'. The Angloamerican establishment have been doing it for so long that they have a nickname in diplomacy and political science that goes 200 years back. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfidious_Albion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfidious_Albion >> So if Russia doesn't lie can you explain this?. It was later revealed that Russia was doing 'maneuvers' at the border to force the Ukrainian government to give up invading the Russian speaking breakaway regions like it did 5-10 times in the last 8 years. Russia expected the Ukrainian government to do the same again, but this time they seem to have chosen to go ahead due to US pressure.
    - _kbh_ 4y ago
      > It was later revealed that Russia was doing 'maneuvers' at the border to force the Ukrainian government to give up invading the Russian speaking breakaway regions like it did 5-10 times in the last 8 years Those regions are part of Ukraine you cannot invade yourself. > Russia expected the Ukrainian government to do the same again, but this time they seem to have chosen to go ahead due to US pressure. You’re really determined to defend Russia on every front aren’t you?. I’m just glad that most people know the truth and that your clear propaganda is failing. I presume you believe Ukraine has black magic battalions and biologically engineered super soldiers as well?. Because that’s what Russian media has been reporting.
    - HyperSane 4y ago
      Whatever happened to your brain is tragic.

HyperSane 4y ago

Believing the USSR never lied is like Believing Trump has never lied in his life. In actually both lied/lie all the time.

unity1001 4y ago
> Believing I dont 'believe'. We have their declassified records. We know what they did, what they decided to do. We know that they withheld information or the truth. But we know that they did not lie or misrepresent because they decided the risk of getting caught was too high. This is not a matter of belief, its what they decided. 'They lied' is the cold war propaganda of their enemy. Whose entire propaganda has been based on lies for over 60 years. And amazingly, the village liar is calling everyone else liars and the villagers just BELIEVE it.
- HyperSane 4y ago
  "But we know that they did not lie or misrepresent " You are detached from reality. " We know what they did" Yeh, they lied about everything all the time * Chernobyl * Korean Air Lines Flight 007 * The Katyn massacre * Soviet government always claimed that people’s living conditions in the Western countries were worse than in the Soviet Union. As they say, the bigger the lie the more they’ll believe in it…until you see the evidence to the contrary. In 1939, Finland successfully fought off the Soviet Union in the Winter War. Finland had gained independence in 1917 and built a social democracy, geared towards the needs of its people. Few Soviet people who visited Finland in 1980s thought they landed on another planet. And then they had to return to the USSR and listen to fairy tales about the “socialist paradise.” A children’s movie “Mikko from Tampere Asks for Advice” was a joint Soviet-Finnish production that came out in 1986. On the surface, it was stock propaganda patronizing the “little nation.” Finnish boy Mikko wants to meet a famous Soviet cat tamer, Kuklachev so he could teach him how to take care of his cat. The film director went for realism and shot many scenes in Finland, inadvertently allowing millions of Soviet children (including this author) to have a glimpse of their peers‘ lives behind the Iron Curtain. Let’s take a close look at some scenes from the movie to understand why it caused such an uproar among the Soviet children and their parents. Mikke’s dad works as a driver. The driver’s family is supposed to share a communal apartment with ten families, yet they live in their own private house, which is not a one-room-plus-kitchen country cottage with an outhouse toilet either. There are at least three rooms in the house! There is a living room with wonderful, bright furniture. The concept of living room was novel to Soviet people so many of them were wondering where are the beds. The driver’s family house also had a dining room with a large cool table and beautiful bright chairs for all the family members. Dining room was also a novel concept to most of the Soviet viewers: they cooked and ate in the kitchen. And lo and behold, there is the second floor with a nice, painted staircase! Soviet children expected to see an attic with a tiny room upstairs. Mikko had his own comfortable room, and what was really hard to swallow - his own bathroom! Viewers weren't looking at Mikko dad’s minivan. All eyes were on the surrounding houses. They looked beautiful and neat, no Soviet flaky wall paint that was always explained by “we have a cold climate.” Mikko plays in the children's band. The children have all the musical instruments that they needed. Mikko’s dad bought him a guitar and wasn’t humiliated with sorrowful stories about the Soviet state and Comrade Gorbachev personally taking care of the children of the world, so there’s nothing left for him. Soviet children immediately paid attention to how Finnish children were dressed: jeans, fashionable pants, bright and colorful print t-shirts. No scary school uniform made of ugly synthetic-wool fabric. Bright clothes, bicycles, their own rooms, interesting hobbies - all these things Finnish children had without having to listen to stories about the leading role of the Communist Party and the "international duty" in Afghanistan. In other words, they had a great life without 24/7 propaganda. Five years later the Soviet Union had run out of magic tricks and ended its short but eventful existence.