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Assuming your username means you're in college: I would wait for a few more years before appointing yourself the expert on other peoples sleep physiology. It's

Assuming your username means you're in college: I would wait for a few more years before appointing yourself the expert on other peoples sleep physiology. It's easy to think this way in college because people around you will be sleeping poorly or erratically, won't respect sleep or bother with sleep hygiene. Once everyone is out of college the biological differences become a bit more noticeable. Most people will "fix" their sleeping relatively easily. Others will struggle at first but eventually make it work by adopting strict sleep hygiene and routine. Then a few will find that no amount of sleep hygiene gets them into a good cycle for the standard working day. For some of them the issue will be severe enough to qualify as a clinical disorder like DSPD. DSPD is known to be extremely difficult to treat.

collegeburner 4y ago
i think that's the key point - i don't disagree that there are "the few" where genuinely nothing works. but then there are always the few with some special case where the standard solution doesn't work, but that doesn't mean anyone can say "the workplace is rigged" against them. i think you're right that there's obv a range of how easy it is, but most people can get into something workable with good hygiene.
- CipherThrowaway 4y ago
  Yes, most people can get into something workable and most people do. 9-5 probably wouldn't be the norm if this weren't the case. But if someone is years out of college and still can't sleep or function on the 9-5 schedule then chances are they are one of the few rather than the many. >but that doesn't mean anyone can say "the workplace is rigged" against them. You absolutely can. "X is rigged against them" is the social model of disability in a nutshell. Workplaces with rigid early schedules are rigged against people with sleep disorders and late chronotypes the same way buildings with no ramps or elevators are rigged against people in wheelchairs and on crutches.

collegeburner 4y ago

i think that's the key point - i don't disagree that there are "the few" where genuinely nothing works. but then there are always the few with some special case where the standard solution doesn't work, but that doesn't mean anyone can say "the workplace is rigged" against them. i think you're right that there's obv a range of how easy it is, but most people can get into something workable with good hygiene.

CipherThrowaway 4y ago
Yes, most people can get into something workable and most people do. 9-5 probably wouldn't be the norm if this weren't the case. But if someone is years out of college and still can't sleep or function on the 9-5 schedule then chances are they are one of the few rather than the many. >but that doesn't mean anyone can say "the workplace is rigged" against them. You absolutely can. "X is rigged against them" is the social model of disability in a nutshell. Workplaces with rigid early schedules are rigged against people with sleep disorders and late chronotypes the same way buildings with no ramps or elevators are rigged against people in wheelchairs and on crutches.