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Wow. I googled DG Auto, and they even have an app for thieves to check prices. https://dgauto.app/ https://dgauto.app/ Really wish the cops would download a

by fswd 4y ago

Wow. I googled DG Auto, and they even have an app for thieves to check prices. https://dgauto.app/ https://dgauto.app/ Really wish the cops would download a list of who installed this app and find their location data on top of a map of reported thefts...

mardifoufs 4y ago
Theft as a service, literally. You can even get them graded! Pretty good app all things considered
insaneirish 4y ago
> Really wish the cops would download a list of who installed this app and find their location data on top of a map of reported thefts... Uh... So, I too found the website and couldn't believe how brazen the business is. I too was surprised about the app. If I downloaded the app because I was so surprised, should my name be given to the police as part of this investigation? That's ridiculous.
- gpm 4y ago
  Yes. I'd say that counts as probable cause, someone who downloaded the app probably committed a crime. The standard for a search isn't beyond a reasonable doubt.
  - insaneirish 4y ago
    > I'd say that counts as probable cause, someone who downloaded the app probably committed a crime. What?! Is Apple a co-conspirator then? What about the people who did app review? Should we round them up and charge them, too?
    - gpm 4y ago
      > Is Apple a co-conspirator then Probably not? Is doing something that is likely aiding in a crime, but that you don't know for certain is, enough to make you a co-conspirator? Does it change if you do it frequently enough that you're sure you've aided in a crime a fair number of times? I think not, but I'm not sure what the relevant legal standards are. > What about the people who did app review Even less likely than Apple, and even if it's technically illegal it would be a good exercise of prosecutorial discretion to not charge them.
    - scotty79 4y ago
      You should investigate them at least. There's no harm in shining a little light on how purely criminal app got approved to be in the walled garden. And maybe some money to be forfeitured there as well.
    - khazhoux 4y ago
      The word "probably" here is in the context of probable cause, which (as we all know) is a criminal law standard. The commenter is not suggesting that a download should be enough to face charges, but that it would be enough for law enforcement to investigate you.
- fastball 4y ago
  Why is that ridiculous? Information like that is subpoena'd all the time. An inadvertent customer of a criminal organization is still a customer of a criminal organization. If you're not dealing in stolen catalytic converters not really sure why you would care if the cops know you downloaded an app for that.
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- UberFly 4y ago
  No you won't be a part of the investigation unless you just quickly unloaded the 95 catalytic convertors you had sitting around in your garage.
- googlryas 4y ago
  Sure, why not? It's not like anyone is saying merely installing the app makes you guilty of anything. It's just a lead. Police chase leads all the time and then abandon when they determine the person isn't involved in the crime.
  - vogt 4y ago
    >Sure, why not? Well, for starters, to prevent the police from kicking my door in and shooting me or my pets simply because I was placed on a list of people who downloaded an app. Simply "police chase and abandon leads all the time" is not a strong enough rationale to justify the original suggestion to me.
    - googlryas 4y ago
      So you think the police will kick down the door of the 50,000 people who downloaded the app?
      - vogt 4y ago
        Of course not. My position is that if one person is wrongly persecuted despite breaking no laws, they should not be considered a suspect. Once police decide "We need the list of everyone who downloaded the app.", those 50,000 people are all suspects. Here's what I _would_ be in favor of: -Police bust Catalyic Converter Kingpin in one form or another -Police learn in the course of investigation that said kingpin was a prolific user of said app -Police subpoena the usernames of accounts that corresponded directly with the kingpin There's a compromise to be had here without throwing 50,000 into a digital suspect bin when maybe half were people actually complicit to...wait for it...a crime.
    - joenot443 4y ago
      Is it seriously your working model of police that they’re frequently given lists of people who download apps and instructed to kill them? That’s how you believe policing works? I know the BLM astroturfing had a profound effect on the rest of the internet, but it’s disappointing to see such a skewed version of reality presented here on HN. I just downloaded the app. Bring on the marauders. If they end up blasting me, you can start a charity in my honor, Vogt.
tptacek 4y ago
It gets better: that app is in the app store, and it asks for background location access.
fy20 4y ago
It seems like this could be a legitimate business too. Running a breakers yard can be a good business if you part things out and sell what is valuable. Second hand parts that have no faults are often quite valuable, even for older vehicles. In my country scrapped vehicles are issued a certificate that you can use to reclaim taxes. Maybe manufacturers should start adding unique codes to all parts so you can be sure it comes from a legitimate source.
bondarchuk 4y ago
A hilarious detail is that their price tiers are "ruthenium", "platinum" and "palladium".
dsfyu404ed 4y ago
>Really wish the cops would download a list of who installed this app and find their location data on top of a map of reported thefts... This would be a massive time unless their goal is to find and harass every small time used car parts dealer. Thieves don't really care about precise prices on cats. They just know that certain year/make/model ranges are what to go after. The target market of this app is people who sell used car parts for money and want to know the value of the parts. When you are buying a random car for $500-1k with the intent of selling wheels/tires and a couple other big ticket items before scrapping the car for a couple hundred you care a lot about whether the cat is $200 or $1200 for obvious reasons.

by fswd 4y ago

mardifoufs 4y ago

Theft as a service, literally. You can even get them graded! Pretty good app all things considered

insaneirish 4y ago

> Really wish the cops would download a list of who installed this app and find their location data on top of a map of reported thefts... Uh... So, I too found the website and couldn't believe how brazen the business is. I too was surprised about the app. If I downloaded the app because I was so surprised, should my name be given to the police as part of this investigation? That's ridiculous.

gpm 4y ago
Yes. I'd say that counts as probable cause, someone who downloaded the app probably committed a crime. The standard for a search isn't beyond a reasonable doubt.
- insaneirish 4y ago
  > I'd say that counts as probable cause, someone who downloaded the app probably committed a crime. What?! Is Apple a co-conspirator then? What about the people who did app review? Should we round them up and charge them, too?
  - gpm 4y ago
    > Is Apple a co-conspirator then Probably not? Is doing something that is likely aiding in a crime, but that you don't know for certain is, enough to make you a co-conspirator? Does it change if you do it frequently enough that you're sure you've aided in a crime a fair number of times? I think not, but I'm not sure what the relevant legal standards are. > What about the people who did app review Even less likely than Apple, and even if it's technically illegal it would be a good exercise of prosecutorial discretion to not charge them.
  - scotty79 4y ago
    You should investigate them at least. There's no harm in shining a little light on how purely criminal app got approved to be in the walled garden. And maybe some money to be forfeitured there as well.
  - khazhoux 4y ago
    The word "probably" here is in the context of probable cause, which (as we all know) is a criminal law standard. The commenter is not suggesting that a download should be enough to face charges, but that it would be enough for law enforcement to investigate you.
fastball 4y ago
Why is that ridiculous? Information like that is subpoena'd all the time. An inadvertent customer of a criminal organization is still a customer of a criminal organization. If you're not dealing in stolen catalytic converters not really sure why you would care if the cops know you downloaded an app for that.
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UberFly 4y ago
No you won't be a part of the investigation unless you just quickly unloaded the 95 catalytic convertors you had sitting around in your garage.
googlryas 4y ago
Sure, why not? It's not like anyone is saying merely installing the app makes you guilty of anything. It's just a lead. Police chase leads all the time and then abandon when they determine the person isn't involved in the crime.
- vogt 4y ago
  >Sure, why not? Well, for starters, to prevent the police from kicking my door in and shooting me or my pets simply because I was placed on a list of people who downloaded an app. Simply "police chase and abandon leads all the time" is not a strong enough rationale to justify the original suggestion to me.
  - googlryas 4y ago
    So you think the police will kick down the door of the 50,000 people who downloaded the app?
    - vogt 4y ago
      Of course not. My position is that if one person is wrongly persecuted despite breaking no laws, they should not be considered a suspect. Once police decide "We need the list of everyone who downloaded the app.", those 50,000 people are all suspects. Here's what I _would_ be in favor of: -Police bust Catalyic Converter Kingpin in one form or another -Police learn in the course of investigation that said kingpin was a prolific user of said app -Police subpoena the usernames of accounts that corresponded directly with the kingpin There's a compromise to be had here without throwing 50,000 into a digital suspect bin when maybe half were people actually complicit to...wait for it...a crime.
  - joenot443 4y ago
    Is it seriously your working model of police that they’re frequently given lists of people who download apps and instructed to kill them? That’s how you believe policing works? I know the BLM astroturfing had a profound effect on the rest of the internet, but it’s disappointing to see such a skewed version of reality presented here on HN. I just downloaded the app. Bring on the marauders. If they end up blasting me, you can start a charity in my honor, Vogt.

tptacek 4y ago

It gets better: that app is in the app store, and it asks for background location access.

fy20 4y ago

It seems like this could be a legitimate business too. Running a breakers yard can be a good business if you part things out and sell what is valuable. Second hand parts that have no faults are often quite valuable, even for older vehicles. In my country scrapped vehicles are issued a certificate that you can use to reclaim taxes. Maybe manufacturers should start adding unique codes to all parts so you can be sure it comes from a legitimate source.

bondarchuk 4y ago

A hilarious detail is that their price tiers are "ruthenium", "platinum" and "palladium".

dsfyu404ed 4y ago

>Really wish the cops would download a list of who installed this app and find their location data on top of a map of reported thefts... This would be a massive time unless their goal is to find and harass every small time used car parts dealer. Thieves don't really care about precise prices on cats. They just know that certain year/make/model ranges are what to go after. The target market of this app is people who sell used car parts for money and want to know the value of the parts. When you are buying a random car for $500-1k with the intent of selling wheels/tires and a couple other big ticket items before scrapping the car for a couple hundred you care a lot about whether the cat is $200 or $1200 for obvious reasons.