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I think there's a bit more to this. A lot of men simply don't need a degree when they take up the family business, go to trade school, or start a military caree

I think there's a bit more to this. A lot of men simply don't need a degree when they take up the family business, go to trade school, or start a military career and that's fairly common in the south. I wouldn't call most of those guys disadvantaged. Drop out rates for the disadvantaged can be high as well regardless of affirmative action getting them in. The difficulties are cultural and I agree that making this situation clearer is a net good.

zeroonetwothree 4y ago
This sounds like the argument that women don’t need degrees because they are just housewives or secretaries
- randomdata 4y ago
  As if a man in this day of age would let a woman into his kitchen to make him a sandwich without a degree. One needs qualifications to show ability.
  - selestify 4y ago
    What? Given increased rates of male virginity, it's more as if a man in this day and age would deny a woman from entering the kitchen
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    - randomdata 4y ago
      While it was intended as a joke about the workplace, you raise an interesting perspective. Indeed, establishing bonds with a homemaker is increasingly considered a risky activity, particularly for men, primary due to the courts establishing precedent for ongoing support payments even after services are no longer rendered. Perhaps increased rates of male virginity really is the result of increased scrutiny? Certainly in the workplace we've seen increased rates of job vacancies, yet employers will do everything in their power to try and avoid hiring you. This is especially apparent in tech (at least until recently) where companies couldn't hire fast enough, but also put the Leetcode screws to you to ensure that they couldn't find anyone to hire. This does suggest that we're becoming increasingly risk averse or that the stakes are higher.
Izkata 4y ago
It also depends significantly on where you're talking about. At my college, my class was about 85% male and 15% female. Looks like last year they managed to get it to 68% male and 32% female.

zeroonetwothree 4y ago

This sounds like the argument that women don’t need degrees because they are just housewives or secretaries

randomdata 4y ago
As if a man in this day of age would let a woman into his kitchen to make him a sandwich without a degree. One needs qualifications to show ability.
- selestify 4y ago
  What? Given increased rates of male virginity, it's more as if a man in this day and age would deny a woman from entering the kitchen
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  - randomdata 4y ago
    While it was intended as a joke about the workplace, you raise an interesting perspective. Indeed, establishing bonds with a homemaker is increasingly considered a risky activity, particularly for men, primary due to the courts establishing precedent for ongoing support payments even after services are no longer rendered. Perhaps increased rates of male virginity really is the result of increased scrutiny? Certainly in the workplace we've seen increased rates of job vacancies, yet employers will do everything in their power to try and avoid hiring you. This is especially apparent in tech (at least until recently) where companies couldn't hire fast enough, but also put the Leetcode screws to you to ensure that they couldn't find anyone to hire. This does suggest that we're becoming increasingly risk averse or that the stakes are higher.

Izkata 4y ago

It also depends significantly on where you're talking about. At my college, my class was about 85% male and 15% female. Looks like last year they managed to get it to 68% male and 32% female.