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Am I understanding this right - cities in CA are fighting the State of CA? Isn't the State of CA supposed to be made of the cities in CA, rather than in opposi

by ars 4y ago

Am I understanding this right - cities in CA are fighting the State of CA? Isn't the State of CA supposed to be made of the cities in CA, rather than in opposition to their desires? If the city doesn't want housing, that should be fought at the city level, rather than the state stepping in. The whole thing just seems upside down to me.

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Karrot_Kream 4y ago
That's not what's happening here. The actual party challenging this project is TODCO [1], a non-profit housing organization that actually hasn't built any housing in the last 20 years and has spent its revenue in the form of appreciating property values in fighting new housing projects by challenging them on environmental issues. The Californian law in question that allows this challenge is a state (not city) law known as CEQA [2]. This issue is much more complicated than a mere issue of power delegation between states and cities. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenants_and_Owners_Development_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenants_and_Owners_Development... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Environmental_Quality_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Environmental_Quali...
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raldi 4y ago
We both agree that a government is made up of citizens, yes? Absent any enforcement mechanism, it would be the natural and logical choice for any one of these citizens to decline to pay their taxes, a classic example of the free-rider problem. The classic solution to this problem is to create a central authority with the power to compel each citizen to do their fair share. Similarly, the people of California have shown through their votes that they believe the state should take collective action to build enough housing to allow the next generation to move out of their parents' houses. Absent state action, no city would volunteer to do their share; they would prefer to keep their abundant parking availability and endlessly-rising property values. And so the state steps in to ensure that voters' goal of increased housing production is achieved.
mistrial9 4y ago
https://www.calcities.org/ https://www.calcities.org/ the League of California Cities fights the State of California daily, forever.. also Counties do it, and the several regional government associations do, too. it was supposed to be better this way.. compare to Argentina maybe ? the bill is overdue on all of this

by ars 4y ago

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Karrot_Kream 4y ago

That's not what's happening here. The actual party challenging this project is TODCO [1], a non-profit housing organization that actually hasn't built any housing in the last 20 years and has spent its revenue in the form of appreciating property values in fighting new housing projects by challenging them on environmental issues. The Californian law in question that allows this challenge is a state (not city) law known as CEQA [2]. This issue is much more complicated than a mere issue of power delegation between states and cities. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenants_and_Owners_Development_Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenants_and_Owners_Development... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Environmental_Quality_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Environmental_Quali...

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raldi 4y ago

We both agree that a government is made up of citizens, yes? Absent any enforcement mechanism, it would be the natural and logical choice for any one of these citizens to decline to pay their taxes, a classic example of the free-rider problem. The classic solution to this problem is to create a central authority with the power to compel each citizen to do their fair share. Similarly, the people of California have shown through their votes that they believe the state should take collective action to build enough housing to allow the next generation to move out of their parents' houses. Absent state action, no city would volunteer to do their share; they would prefer to keep their abundant parking availability and endlessly-rising property values. And so the state steps in to ensure that voters' goal of increased housing production is achieved.

mistrial9 4y ago

https://www.calcities.org/ https://www.calcities.org/ the League of California Cities fights the State of California daily, forever.. also Counties do it, and the several regional government associations do, too. it was supposed to be better this way.. compare to Argentina maybe ? the bill is overdue on all of this