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I'm completely stunned that people will compromise safety to avoid taking a few steps. The idea of filling my home network with iffy iot devices and having a si

I'm completely stunned that people will compromise safety to avoid taking a few steps. The idea of filling my home network with iffy iot devices and having a single point of failure for things like lighting my home and unlocking my doors is absolutely crazy to me. Not to mention all the meta data these devices might leak about my routine and whereabouts. I have no idea why people think these are reasonable trade-offs. Maybe I'm crazy.

Arrath 4y ago
I'm both with you and understanding the other side. Decades of watching Star Trek have filled me with the urge to be able to say "Home, prepare for away team departure." or something less eye-roll worthy for my girlfriend, to do as the GP says and close curtains, turn off lights, set heat lower, etc as I leave. But, as you point out, the state of security for IoT devices, the specter of surveillance and monitoring, all that keeps me from committing to such sheer nerdery.
- Gud 4y ago
  You can have best of both worlds. There are software that gives you complete control. I use Home Assistant with IKEA Tradfri lights. It works great. More advanced configurations are possible.
  - Arrath 4y ago
    It's long been a project on my mind, but I just haven't found the time yet.
- namaria 4y ago
  I really don't see the appeal. I want my life to be simple in the way that I have few possessions and few things to keep track of not in the sense that there is a very complex system hiding difficulty from me but if it fails my life gets 10x worse.
  - Arrath 4y ago
    That's totally fair, to each their own!
- magic_hamster 4y ago
  The star trek angle seems more prevalent than one would imagine. In my experience, every single time this topic comes up, people mention the star trek computer, sometimes kitt from knight rider, or that ai from iron man. However, people seem to forget these aren't computers, but characters in TV shows or movies and they were "designed" with voice interaction because that's the only way to convey what they are doing to an audience. The entire voice control fantasy comes from limitations of the TV (or film) medium and not at all because it's the most convenient way to do something. It's not too different from the way hacking or programming is portrayed on TV: it's extremely silly but you need a way to visually explain something to an audience of people who aren't technical. It's entertainment. While I admit there is a case for disabled people, as stated here in the comments, trying to imitate these things from sci fi shows just feels awkward to me.
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chem83 4y ago
These devices don’t need to introduce a single point of failure any different from their dumb alternatives. A Lutron Caseta switch or a Philips Hue bulb still work like a normal switch or bulb even if their bridges and the internet is down. Also, many people isolate their iot network on its own VLAN, although I find this often hurts interop.

Arrath 4y ago

I'm both with you and understanding the other side. Decades of watching Star Trek have filled me with the urge to be able to say "Home, prepare for away team departure." or something less eye-roll worthy for my girlfriend, to do as the GP says and close curtains, turn off lights, set heat lower, etc as I leave. But, as you point out, the state of security for IoT devices, the specter of surveillance and monitoring, all that keeps me from committing to such sheer nerdery.

Gud 4y ago
You can have best of both worlds. There are software that gives you complete control. I use Home Assistant with IKEA Tradfri lights. It works great. More advanced configurations are possible.
- Arrath 4y ago
  It's long been a project on my mind, but I just haven't found the time yet.
namaria 4y ago
I really don't see the appeal. I want my life to be simple in the way that I have few possessions and few things to keep track of not in the sense that there is a very complex system hiding difficulty from me but if it fails my life gets 10x worse.
- Arrath 4y ago
  That's totally fair, to each their own!
magic_hamster 4y ago
The star trek angle seems more prevalent than one would imagine. In my experience, every single time this topic comes up, people mention the star trek computer, sometimes kitt from knight rider, or that ai from iron man. However, people seem to forget these aren't computers, but characters in TV shows or movies and they were "designed" with voice interaction because that's the only way to convey what they are doing to an audience. The entire voice control fantasy comes from limitations of the TV (or film) medium and not at all because it's the most convenient way to do something. It's not too different from the way hacking or programming is portrayed on TV: it's extremely silly but you need a way to visually explain something to an audience of people who aren't technical. It's entertainment. While I admit there is a case for disabled people, as stated here in the comments, trying to imitate these things from sci fi shows just feels awkward to me.

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chem83 4y ago

These devices don’t need to introduce a single point of failure any different from their dumb alternatives. A Lutron Caseta switch or a Philips Hue bulb still work like a normal switch or bulb even if their bridges and the internet is down. Also, many people isolate their iot network on its own VLAN, although I find this often hurts interop.