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It's not that people (including myself) say he's a failure, for me, it's a massive amount of skepticism with admittedly a fair amount of snark. To me, he seems

It's not that people (including myself) say he's a failure, for me, it's a massive amount of skepticism with admittedly a fair amount of snark. To me, he seems to want to take all the credit - I've rarely seen media reports of him saying the efforts of someone else were paramount (edit: other than a team at one of his companies) - It could be the media I'm consuming, but even on his Twitter feed, I've not seen him mention Shotwell for instance. One man, I don't care how smart, cannot be this involved in so many projects and succeed so wildly without being incredibly demanding, maybe too demanding of those who work for him. Let's give credit to those there day to day, like Shotwell, who realistically is a lot more involved and hands-on than he is. Or you know - maybe he is that amazing, I doubt it, but Trump did invent the MRNA vaccines all by himself as well, so...

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dhedberg 4y ago
I really do think it's the media you're consuming. Here he thanks Tom Mueller: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1333544636137283586 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1333544636137283586 Here he thanks some Tesla club members: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1211836235762880512 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1211836235762880512 Here he thanks NASA for all the support over the years, "without which this would not have happened": https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1219127317957615617 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1219127317957615617 Here he says that "Gwynne is the best": https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1538400836669296640 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1538400836669296640 That's just a random collection I found with a couple of quick google searches. If you have actually watched for example the starbase tours with Elon, it's difficult to claim that he isn't "involved": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t705r8ICkRw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t705r8ICkRw
- bigmattystyles 4y ago
  I didn't mean to say he wasn't involved at all, just that imho (which doesn't matter) most of these companies would be fine without him. He is a savvy business player, knows how to grab available resources as well as the spotlight. I don't see anyone heralding Bezos or a few other CEOs I could name to this level and he's quite a bit more successful. Sidenote, all but a few of his twitter mentions of Shotwell are responses to mentions of her and it seems like he's injecting himself into the discussion.
  - dwaltrip 4y ago
    Bezos famously has been trying to build orbital rockets for two decades and hasn't yet succeeded. So there must be some difference between them on this point.

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dhedberg 4y ago

I really do think it's the media you're consuming. Here he thanks Tom Mueller: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1333544636137283586 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1333544636137283586 Here he thanks some Tesla club members: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1211836235762880512 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1211836235762880512 Here he thanks NASA for all the support over the years, "without which this would not have happened": https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1219127317957615617 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1219127317957615617 Here he says that "Gwynne is the best": https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1538400836669296640 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1538400836669296640 That's just a random collection I found with a couple of quick google searches. If you have actually watched for example the starbase tours with Elon, it's difficult to claim that he isn't "involved": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t705r8ICkRw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t705r8ICkRw

bigmattystyles 4y ago
I didn't mean to say he wasn't involved at all, just that imho (which doesn't matter) most of these companies would be fine without him. He is a savvy business player, knows how to grab available resources as well as the spotlight. I don't see anyone heralding Bezos or a few other CEOs I could name to this level and he's quite a bit more successful. Sidenote, all but a few of his twitter mentions of Shotwell are responses to mentions of her and it seems like he's injecting himself into the discussion.
- dwaltrip 4y ago
  Bezos famously has been trying to build orbital rockets for two decades and hasn't yet succeeded. So there must be some difference between them on this point.