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I suspect this is partially because internal efforts and agendas take priority over open source community at this point. For example, I created an issue reques

I suspect this is partially because internal efforts and agendas take priority over open source community at this point. For example, I created an issue requesting a flamegraph visualization in grafana[1] and now it makes sense that they didn't initially respond because they were building it internally in secret and didn't want to spoil the big reveal (when they did respond they did mention that it was a secret). They're also less incentivized now to tend to issues and PRs that help others outside of their ecosystem (i.e. competing logs, metrics, tracing, profiling, etc products). [1] https://github.com/grafana/grafana/issues/53723 https://github.com/grafana/grafana/issues/53723

PaulWaldman 4y ago
>Sorry for this being a bit secret until now but we tried to quickly build and iterate something usable. There isn't much documentation for it as it is behind feature flag it's not a GA feature but hope that will come soon. Secrets kinda conflict with the whole Open part of OSS.
- SEJeff 4y ago
  No it doesn’t. Open community doesn’t have to be open source. Open source doesn’t have to have an open community. By the OSI definition, most of android is in fact open source. However, much of it is thrown over the wall after a release. Don’t conflate the two.
  - PaulWaldman 4y ago
    >No it doesn’t. Open community doesn’t have to be open source. Open source doesn’t have to have an open community. That's in direct contract with Grafana's own messaging. The following is from their OSS marketing page. >Open Source is at the heart of what we do at Grafana Labs. We believe building software in the open, with thriving communities, helps leave the world a little better than we found it. https://grafana.com/oss/ https://grafana.com/oss/
    - SEJeff 4y ago
      My reply was replying to: Secrets kinda conflict with the whole Open part of OSS. Please note that the open source definition has no mention of community: https://opensource.org/osd https://opensource.org/osd As I said, please stop conflating open source software with open communities. They’re part of a thriving and healthy project, but are not the same thing.

PaulWaldman 4y ago

>Sorry for this being a bit secret until now but we tried to quickly build and iterate something usable. There isn't much documentation for it as it is behind feature flag it's not a GA feature but hope that will come soon. Secrets kinda conflict with the whole Open part of OSS.

SEJeff 4y ago
No it doesn’t. Open community doesn’t have to be open source. Open source doesn’t have to have an open community. By the OSI definition, most of android is in fact open source. However, much of it is thrown over the wall after a release. Don’t conflate the two.
- PaulWaldman 4y ago
  >No it doesn’t. Open community doesn’t have to be open source. Open source doesn’t have to have an open community. That's in direct contract with Grafana's own messaging. The following is from their OSS marketing page. >Open Source is at the heart of what we do at Grafana Labs. We believe building software in the open, with thriving communities, helps leave the world a little better than we found it. https://grafana.com/oss/ https://grafana.com/oss/
  - SEJeff 4y ago
    My reply was replying to: Secrets kinda conflict with the whole Open part of OSS. Please note that the open source definition has no mention of community: https://opensource.org/osd https://opensource.org/osd As I said, please stop conflating open source software with open communities. They’re part of a thriving and healthy project, but are not the same thing.