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> by allowing them to openly steal the tech developed in China by US companies What tech would that be? Btw, China has already surpassed USA in scientific out

by m000 4y ago

> by allowing them to openly steal the tech developed in China by US companies What tech would that be? Btw, China has already surpassed USA in scientific output [1]. Putting their research in applied use is just around the corner, and believing that they can't do it is just wishful thinking. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_scientific_and_technical_journal_articles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of...

mostlysimilar 4y ago
How much does the quantity matter compared to the quality, and is there a way to assess the relative quality?
- DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
  The journal Nature tries to measure overall scientific output of institutions and countries, based on numbers of articles published in high-quality journals. China has passed the US for the first time in the last few months: [0]. It's not a perfect measure, but it gives you an idea of how rapidly things have changed. Another indicator you can look at is R&D expenditure as a percentage of GDP. China hasn't caught up with the US yet, but it has been steadily ramping up: [1]. 0. https://www.nature.com/nature-index/country-outputs/generate/All/global https://www.nature.com/nature-index/country-outputs/generate... 1. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/GB.XPD.RSDV.GD.ZS?locations=CN-US https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/GB.XPD.RSDV.GD.ZS?locat...
cscurmudgeon 4y ago
Sure, then why worry about sanctions?
ericmay 4y ago
This doesn't measure impact of these scientific papers though, neglects US corporate and private research that doesn't get published and cited through the same means, and we have no measure of the relationship between publishing of scientific papers and "whatever we think that will accomplish". Also there's no information from that link on who is citing these papers. Maybe it's circular citations. Seems like a poor measure without further information.

by m000 4y ago

mostlysimilar 4y ago

How much does the quantity matter compared to the quality, and is there a way to assess the relative quality?

DiogenesKynikos 4y ago
The journal Nature tries to measure overall scientific output of institutions and countries, based on numbers of articles published in high-quality journals. China has passed the US for the first time in the last few months: [0]. It's not a perfect measure, but it gives you an idea of how rapidly things have changed. Another indicator you can look at is R&D expenditure as a percentage of GDP. China hasn't caught up with the US yet, but it has been steadily ramping up: [1]. 0. https://www.nature.com/nature-index/country-outputs/generate/All/global https://www.nature.com/nature-index/country-outputs/generate... 1. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/GB.XPD.RSDV.GD.ZS?locations=CN-US https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/GB.XPD.RSDV.GD.ZS?locat...

cscurmudgeon 4y ago

Sure, then why worry about sanctions?

ericmay 4y ago

This doesn't measure impact of these scientific papers though, neglects US corporate and private research that doesn't get published and cited through the same means, and we have no measure of the relationship between publishing of scientific papers and "whatever we think that will accomplish". Also there's no information from that link on who is citing these papers. Maybe it's circular citations. Seems like a poor measure without further information.