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Well, you certainly managed to bend your mind to make Apple the good guy. GPL: You have the right to modify and redistribute the application. Apple: No you d

by parfe 15y ago

Well, you certainly managed to bend your mind to make Apple the good guy. GPL: You have the right to modify and redistribute the application. Apple: No you don't. rbanffy: The GPL forbids redistribution. Apple restricts you to 5 devices, the GPL does not. Apple restricts you to personal, non commercial use, the GPL does not.

runjake 15y ago
When has Apple restricted the right to modify and redistribute a GPL application? Although Apple's app stores don't have provisions for distributing source, they don't do anything to stop the source of a developer's app being posted for modifications or redist. I'd love to see some examples of your claims.
- parfe 15y ago
  http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/terms.html http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/terms.html (i) If you are an individual acting in your personal capacity, you may download and sync an App Store Product for personal, noncommercial use on any iOS Device you own or control. and it keeps going. Fanboys coming out saying it isn't apple adding restrictions. What a joke. If I acquire an application through the app store then Apple restricts my usage.
  - ugh 15y ago
    That’s some selective quoting right there. The terms for commercial use are right under what you are quoting and virtually identical to the terms for non-commercial use. See also my other comment where I still assumed that you made a mistake and were not selectively quoting: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3344535 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3344535
    - parfe 15y ago
      Not taking issue here with commercial vs personal, but with being restricted from redistributing items you've purchased through the store.
      - ugh 15y ago
        You are right. I’m sorry, I put that comment in the wrong context. But the App Stores allows you to install apps on as many Macs or iOS devices you want (as long as you own or control them) and it also allows for commercial use (also by companies and organizations).
        parfe 15y ago
        Yeah, my bad for not being clear. You are right and I am right and I am wrong. So everyone wins!
pilsetnieks 15y ago
Not debating the other points but Apple doesn't restrict you to non-commercial use, they only disclaim any liability for commercial damages. Otherwise we'd all be pirates.
- parfe 15y ago
  (i) You shall be authorized to use iTunes Products only for personal, noncommercial use. Is the first restriction listed at http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/terms.html http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/terms.html I'm no hyperchicken, so don't put much stock in what I have to say.
  - ugh 15y ago
    You seem to be quoting the terms for the iTunes Store. The terms are confusing (because they throw all their various Stores and their different terms in one long document), so quoting the wrong part of the terms is hardly your fault. The Mac App Store seems to have different terms for non-commercial and commercial use. Here are the terms for non-commercial use: If you are an individual acting in your personal capacity, you may download and use an application from the Mac App Store (“Mac App Store Product”) for personal, non-commercial use on any Apple-branded products running Mac OS X (“Mac Computer”) that you own or control. tl;dr: If you are not an enterprise, you can download apps for non-commercial use and install them on all Macs you own or control. Here are the terms for commercial use: If you are a commercial enterprise or educational institution, you may download a Mac App Store Product for use by either (a) a single individual on each of the Mac Computer(s) used by that individual that you own or control or (b) multiple individuals on a single shared Mac Computer that you own or control. For example, a single employee may use a Mac App Store Product on both the employee’s desktop Mac Computer and laptop Mac Computer, or multiple students may serially use a Mac App Store Product on a single Mac Computer located at a resource center or library. For the sake of clarity, each Mac Computer used serially by multiple users requires a separate license. tl;dr: If you are an enterprise, you can download apps for commercial use and install them on all Macs you own and control as long as those Macs are also only used by a single person. You can alternatively install the app on a single Mac that is used by several people. The terms are the same for commercial and non-commercial use, the only difference is that companies can also use their license as a single-Mac license (which can be used by as many people as they want).
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rbanffy 15y ago
> rbanffy: The GPL forbids redistribution. I can't fathom how you managed to misinterpret my post so badly, but, for your benefit, "The GPL prohibits distribution under Apple's freedom-limiting terms". Satisfied?

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runjake 15y ago

When has Apple restricted the right to modify and redistribute a GPL application? Although Apple's app stores don't have provisions for distributing source, they don't do anything to stop the source of a developer's app being posted for modifications or redist. I'd love to see some examples of your claims.

parfe 15y ago
http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/terms.html http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/terms.html (i) If you are an individual acting in your personal capacity, you may download and sync an App Store Product for personal, noncommercial use on any iOS Device you own or control. and it keeps going. Fanboys coming out saying it isn't apple adding restrictions. What a joke. If I acquire an application through the app store then Apple restricts my usage.
- ugh 15y ago
  That’s some selective quoting right there. The terms for commercial use are right under what you are quoting and virtually identical to the terms for non-commercial use. See also my other comment where I still assumed that you made a mistake and were not selectively quoting: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3344535 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3344535
  - parfe 15y ago
    Not taking issue here with commercial vs personal, but with being restricted from redistributing items you've purchased through the store.
    - ugh 15y ago
      You are right. I’m sorry, I put that comment in the wrong context. But the App Stores allows you to install apps on as many Macs or iOS devices you want (as long as you own or control them) and it also allows for commercial use (also by companies and organizations).
      - parfe 15y ago
        Yeah, my bad for not being clear. You are right and I am right and I am wrong. So everyone wins!

pilsetnieks 15y ago

Not debating the other points but Apple doesn't restrict you to non-commercial use, they only disclaim any liability for commercial damages. Otherwise we'd all be pirates.

parfe 15y ago
(i) You shall be authorized to use iTunes Products only for personal, noncommercial use. Is the first restriction listed at http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/terms.html http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/terms.html I'm no hyperchicken, so don't put much stock in what I have to say.
- ugh 15y ago
  You seem to be quoting the terms for the iTunes Store. The terms are confusing (because they throw all their various Stores and their different terms in one long document), so quoting the wrong part of the terms is hardly your fault. The Mac App Store seems to have different terms for non-commercial and commercial use. Here are the terms for non-commercial use: If you are an individual acting in your personal capacity, you may download and use an application from the Mac App Store (“Mac App Store Product”) for personal, non-commercial use on any Apple-branded products running Mac OS X (“Mac Computer”) that you own or control. tl;dr: If you are not an enterprise, you can download apps for non-commercial use and install them on all Macs you own or control. Here are the terms for commercial use: If you are a commercial enterprise or educational institution, you may download a Mac App Store Product for use by either (a) a single individual on each of the Mac Computer(s) used by that individual that you own or control or (b) multiple individuals on a single shared Mac Computer that you own or control. For example, a single employee may use a Mac App Store Product on both the employee’s desktop Mac Computer and laptop Mac Computer, or multiple students may serially use a Mac App Store Product on a single Mac Computer located at a resource center or library. For the sake of clarity, each Mac Computer used serially by multiple users requires a separate license. tl;dr: If you are an enterprise, you can download apps for commercial use and install them on all Macs you own and control as long as those Macs are also only used by a single person. You can alternatively install the app on a single Mac that is used by several people. The terms are the same for commercial and non-commercial use, the only difference is that companies can also use their license as a single-Mac license (which can be used by as many people as they want).

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rbanffy 15y ago

> rbanffy: The GPL forbids redistribution. I can't fathom how you managed to misinterpret my post so badly, but, for your benefit, "The GPL prohibits distribution under Apple's freedom-limiting terms". Satisfied?