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Your environment is that important but never considered actually using RHEL (or Ubuntu ESM)? > sometimes break things in unexpected ways I have faith on RH to

Your environment is that important but never considered actually using RHEL (or Ubuntu ESM)? > sometimes break things in unexpected ways I have faith on RH to keep CentOS stream to be quite stable now that it runs on its own brand. I can't understand how people had super faith on CentOS when it was run by a community which even had someone lock up the organization's fund/asset at some point.

vbezhenar 4y ago
People believe that RHEL is rock stable. People believe that CentOS was the same RHEL for free. Bit to bit. May be with changed logos. So people believed that they’ll get rock stable system for free by using CentOS. They believed it so much that it hurted RHEL sales. None of those beliefs were correct. But lost sales were real.
- touisteur 4y ago
  One day I'd like to know whether sales were really hurt or it's like 'we've been downloaded 1 million times our single is 5usd, we could have made 5musd' we'... Well no.
bayindirh 4y ago
People think that we use CentOS because we’re cheap. The reality is the software we use is certified against it. We’re a supercomputing center. We’re federated. Everybody is using CentOS. So, we also use CentOS on our pets sometimes because it reduces administration load. We’re using it for years. We can patch it if we need it. We can submit patches if we need it. We use CentOS as a multinational community, which is completely different from “Hey, look! Free RHEL!”. We’ll see where we gonna evolve. Stream? Rocky? Alma? It’s will be a collective decision. For some pets we migrated to Rocky, and we’re happy, for now.
- mekster 4y ago
  Do you mind sharing how you decided to go with Rocky instead of the others?
  - bayindirh 4y ago
    It was visible, had a simple promise (bug-for-bug compatibility), and a migration script. Being founded by former CentOS founder also helped. MySQL guys found Maria, CentOS founder started Rocky. That’s OK in my book.
touisteur 4y ago
Price sensitivity is a thing and I'm quite sure I don't get my money's worth with RHEL prices especially when they made us run around explaining our use case to their business people and them telling us months later they're not interested in the end and 'just buy and use openstack'. You're talking about a community problem (which most community have at some time and I don't believe for a second that companies don't have these kinds of events or worse) when people are talking about what they liked and actually observed to be good for them in centos. Yes, work should be paid. True also that some things can bring more customers without being profitable by themselves. Yes people are allowed to be angry about a bait and switch. One can be sad and angry that a service that one used to rely on is discontinued or made very expensive.
- mekster 4y ago
  People were just free riding a community effort off of a commercial product that costs a lot of money and one can be sad when things stopped the way they wanted but angry? Besides, do all those people complaining have projects that are very sensitive to stability that CentOS stream is going to ruin? That is quite hard to believe. Not sure if it was even a bait when people just chose to use it and CentOS never locked you up in using it. Most of the whining sounds very childish.

vbezhenar 4y ago

People believe that RHEL is rock stable. People believe that CentOS was the same RHEL for free. Bit to bit. May be with changed logos. So people believed that they’ll get rock stable system for free by using CentOS. They believed it so much that it hurted RHEL sales. None of those beliefs were correct. But lost sales were real.

touisteur 4y ago
One day I'd like to know whether sales were really hurt or it's like 'we've been downloaded 1 million times our single is 5usd, we could have made 5musd' we'... Well no.

bayindirh 4y ago

People think that we use CentOS because we’re cheap. The reality is the software we use is certified against it. We’re a supercomputing center. We’re federated. Everybody is using CentOS. So, we also use CentOS on our pets sometimes because it reduces administration load. We’re using it for years. We can patch it if we need it. We can submit patches if we need it. We use CentOS as a multinational community, which is completely different from “Hey, look! Free RHEL!”. We’ll see where we gonna evolve. Stream? Rocky? Alma? It’s will be a collective decision. For some pets we migrated to Rocky, and we’re happy, for now.

mekster 4y ago
Do you mind sharing how you decided to go with Rocky instead of the others?
- bayindirh 4y ago
  It was visible, had a simple promise (bug-for-bug compatibility), and a migration script. Being founded by former CentOS founder also helped. MySQL guys found Maria, CentOS founder started Rocky. That’s OK in my book.

touisteur 4y ago

Price sensitivity is a thing and I'm quite sure I don't get my money's worth with RHEL prices especially when they made us run around explaining our use case to their business people and them telling us months later they're not interested in the end and 'just buy and use openstack'. You're talking about a community problem (which most community have at some time and I don't believe for a second that companies don't have these kinds of events or worse) when people are talking about what they liked and actually observed to be good for them in centos. Yes, work should be paid. True also that some things can bring more customers without being profitable by themselves. Yes people are allowed to be angry about a bait and switch. One can be sad and angry that a service that one used to rely on is discontinued or made very expensive.

mekster 4y ago
People were just free riding a community effort off of a commercial product that costs a lot of money and one can be sad when things stopped the way they wanted but angry? Besides, do all those people complaining have projects that are very sensitive to stability that CentOS stream is going to ruin? That is quite hard to believe. Not sure if it was even a bait when people just chose to use it and CentOS never locked you up in using it. Most of the whining sounds very childish.