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As much as the tracking I fear the access control. Made some stupid comment online while being drunk? We take your ability to by transportation passes/plane ti

As much as the tracking I fear the access control. Made some stupid comment online while being drunk? We take your ability to by transportation passes/plane tickets... IIRC this is already happening in China.

themitigating 4y ago
Can you provide an example?
- saiya-jin 4y ago
  Exactly as parent mentioned - in China, if you mess with Party or they just deem you undesirable for whatever reason ie ethnicity, you can't purchase plane tickets, not even domestic ones. Heck, not even trains so you can't effectively travel within China. No mortgages/loans. Of course it will affect your hiring options badly. I believe it goes way deeper. China is already 1984 for a decade+
  - themitigating 4y ago
    That's not an example, I want a specific example
  - foobarian 4y ago
    So almost like when you have a felony record in the USA?
    - PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
      What impact does this actually have? Can you not get a credit card any more?
      - foobarian 4y ago
        You are excluded from most decent jobs and relegated to an underclass.
        saiya-jin 4y ago
        you can't travel even domestically? or get a credit card?
lottin 4y ago
No-fly lists don't require instant payments, so I don't know what point it is you're trying to make.
- ajsnigrutin 4y ago
  You can still use a train. Not in china though: https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/1/18246297/china-transportation-people-banned-poor-social-credit-planes-trains-2018 https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/1/18246297/china-transportat...
  - LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
    I've read that is wrong, depending on what you define as (usable) train. Allegedly there are the 'green' trains, because using older green wagons. They aren't high-speed, but drive everywhere. As do busses. Which allegedly you can use. Just takes longer.
metacritic12 4y ago
Or Canada during the trucker protests. More scary IMO because the US / Europe will never be China, but it's easy to see some president in the US logic their way into the same position as Canada, and use the same state apparatuses to banish dissenters.

themitigating 4y ago

Can you provide an example?

saiya-jin 4y ago
Exactly as parent mentioned - in China, if you mess with Party or they just deem you undesirable for whatever reason ie ethnicity, you can't purchase plane tickets, not even domestic ones. Heck, not even trains so you can't effectively travel within China. No mortgages/loans. Of course it will affect your hiring options badly. I believe it goes way deeper. China is already 1984 for a decade+
- themitigating 4y ago
  That's not an example, I want a specific example
- foobarian 4y ago
  So almost like when you have a felony record in the USA?
  - PaulDavisThe1st 4y ago
    What impact does this actually have? Can you not get a credit card any more?
    - foobarian 4y ago
      You are excluded from most decent jobs and relegated to an underclass.
      - saiya-jin 4y ago
        you can't travel even domestically? or get a credit card?

lottin 4y ago

No-fly lists don't require instant payments, so I don't know what point it is you're trying to make.

ajsnigrutin 4y ago
You can still use a train. Not in china though: https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/1/18246297/china-transportation-people-banned-poor-social-credit-planes-trains-2018 https://www.theverge.com/2019/3/1/18246297/china-transportat...
- LargoLasskhyfv 4y ago
  I've read that is wrong, depending on what you define as (usable) train. Allegedly there are the 'green' trains, because using older green wagons. They aren't high-speed, but drive everywhere. As do busses. Which allegedly you can use. Just takes longer.

metacritic12 4y ago

Or Canada during the trucker protests. More scary IMO because the US / Europe will never be China, but it's easy to see some president in the US logic their way into the same position as Canada, and use the same state apparatuses to banish dissenters.