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> I frequently see statements from naive Americans that all that the Chinese do is based on copying, but unfortunately for USA, that was true only in the past a

by 83 4y ago

> I frequently see statements from naive Americans that all that the Chinese do is based on copying, but unfortunately for USA, that was true only in the past and it is no longer true today. Just because you don't follow them doesn't mean they don't exist. Plenty of ongoing IP theft cases show this is not true. This case closed a few years back that pretty much wiped out a Billion+ dollar US company: https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-company-sinovel-wind-group-convicted-theft-trade-secrets https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/chinese-company-sinovel-wind-...

chmod775 4y ago
Wind turbines! This example is immensely funny to me, since in the 90s the NSA stole trade secrets related to wind turbines from the German company Enercon and passed it on to the US company Kenetech, who then managed to get a patent in the US. English sources are a bit scarce, but here's an article that references it: > Some months later, a former NSA agent admitted that the organisation had secretly intercepted Enercon's data communications and monitored conference calls. The NSA passed all the information it gleaned on to Kenetech.[1] There's also a report on ECHELON for the European parliament that mentions this case among others[2]. Some more cases became known through documents leaked by Snowden. To complete this circle German intelligence services would now have to steal trade secrets related to wind turbines from China, but sadly they're explicitly forbidden from conduction industrial espionage - to the chagrin of German companies who are feeling disadvantaged. [1] https://www.irishtimes.com/business/electronic-spies-torture-german-firms-1.174447 https://www.irishtimes.com/business/electronic-spies-torture... [2] https://irp.fas.org/program/process/rapport_echelon_en.pdf https://irp.fas.org/program/process/rapport_echelon_en.pdf
- bigcat12345678 4y ago
  So the Chinese even stole the method of stealing, from USA! They are indeed IP theft in their genetics!

by 83 4y ago

chmod775 4y ago

Wind turbines! This example is immensely funny to me, since in the 90s the NSA stole trade secrets related to wind turbines from the German company Enercon and passed it on to the US company Kenetech, who then managed to get a patent in the US. English sources are a bit scarce, but here's an article that references it: > Some months later, a former NSA agent admitted that the organisation had secretly intercepted Enercon's data communications and monitored conference calls. The NSA passed all the information it gleaned on to Kenetech.[1] There's also a report on ECHELON for the European parliament that mentions this case among others[2]. Some more cases became known through documents leaked by Snowden. To complete this circle German intelligence services would now have to steal trade secrets related to wind turbines from China, but sadly they're explicitly forbidden from conduction industrial espionage - to the chagrin of German companies who are feeling disadvantaged. [1] https://www.irishtimes.com/business/electronic-spies-torture-german-firms-1.174447 https://www.irishtimes.com/business/electronic-spies-torture... [2] https://irp.fas.org/program/process/rapport_echelon_en.pdf https://irp.fas.org/program/process/rapport_echelon_en.pdf

bigcat12345678 4y ago
So the Chinese even stole the method of stealing, from USA! They are indeed IP theft in their genetics!