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But have they accomplished anything beyond mere publicity? We are way past the point where we have to convince the majority that something has to change. That s

But have they accomplished anything beyond mere publicity? We are way past the point where we have to convince the majority that something has to change. That seems to be the consensus as far as I observe. The hard question is what do change? And how exactly? And did they offer any proposals for that? If not, they are just wasting everybody's time and attention.

defrost 4y ago
Like their methods or not they are moving the Overton window in a very public and widespread manner. They and their actions might be too extreme for many, with very public displays in art galleries garnering much media attention coupled with bring coal shipments to a stand still by suspending themselves from coal loaders etc. But they have grabbed attention and started a broader discussion about how far is too far when it comes to limiting fossil fuel use, etc.
- anthonygd 4y ago
  Their actions aren't "too extreme" they're too _arbitrary_. Attempting to vandalize paintings isn't helping anything. From what I've seen the media attention has been on how immature environmentalists are, not anything related to required environmental changes. There is already widespread awareness that something needs to change and these tantrums are just noise drowning out any useful signal.
  - defrost 4y ago
    > Attempting to vandalize paintings isn't helping anything. I've seen no reports of any serious attenpt to vandalise a painting, get a grip. In every case it's been attention grabbing performance "art" involving a famous glass covered painting. An actual attempt to actually vandalise would look very different.
hdlothia 4y ago
The risk reward of what they are doing is acceptable though. If they succeed then they help the environment. If they fail than nothing was harmed and no one lost anything except for a couple of seconds of reading an article or watching a news clip.
- funcDropShadow 4y ago
  What would be a successful outcome of throwing tomato sauce onto a painting? A few seconds of media coverage? What is the point of that? Nothing will change, except security in museums. What we need are applicable proposals how to change what. And media coverage of climate issues should focus on that in my opinion, not on pr stunts.

defrost 4y ago

Like their methods or not they are moving the Overton window in a very public and widespread manner. They and their actions might be too extreme for many, with very public displays in art galleries garnering much media attention coupled with bring coal shipments to a stand still by suspending themselves from coal loaders etc. But they have grabbed attention and started a broader discussion about how far is too far when it comes to limiting fossil fuel use, etc.

anthonygd 4y ago
Their actions aren't "too extreme" they're too _arbitrary_. Attempting to vandalize paintings isn't helping anything. From what I've seen the media attention has been on how immature environmentalists are, not anything related to required environmental changes. There is already widespread awareness that something needs to change and these tantrums are just noise drowning out any useful signal.
- defrost 4y ago
  > Attempting to vandalize paintings isn't helping anything. I've seen no reports of any serious attenpt to vandalise a painting, get a grip. In every case it's been attention grabbing performance "art" involving a famous glass covered painting. An actual attempt to actually vandalise would look very different.

hdlothia 4y ago

The risk reward of what they are doing is acceptable though. If they succeed then they help the environment. If they fail than nothing was harmed and no one lost anything except for a couple of seconds of reading an article or watching a news clip.

funcDropShadow 4y ago
What would be a successful outcome of throwing tomato sauce onto a painting? A few seconds of media coverage? What is the point of that? Nothing will change, except security in museums. What we need are applicable proposals how to change what. And media coverage of climate issues should focus on that in my opinion, not on pr stunts.