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What an article! Suggesting that we should be having a civil discourse while our forests, natural resources and breathable air are disappearing and we are liter

by ath3nd 4y ago

What an article! Suggesting that we should be having a civil discourse while our forests, natural resources and breathable air are disappearing and we are literally about to BOIL is so delusional. It's not like scientist have not been trying to have honest conversation about change with the people in power/money for decades already, to almost no effect. What a way to dismiss the concern people have about the future where there will be no livable planet as "moral toddlers". If anything, I think the Just Stop Oil and Extinction Rebellion are too mild in their tactics. After decades of inaction, they are merely trying to (mildly) shock the system from apathy to action, to avert the biggest catastrophe humans have ever faced. I can't wait in a year or two, when it becomes more evident what is happening to our natural world, and who's been benefitting from that. The Shells and Exxons of this world would then wish that the people then would use such soft tactics as spraying a painting with paint or gluing themselves to the road. But I am afraid that instead they are simply going to face a lot of VERY angry people with pitchforks and torches.

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ergonaught 4y ago
But, no. See: "we are literally about to BOIL" This statement is demonstrably false and completely disconnected from reality. We are not literally about to boil. You cannot reach anyone that you need to reach in order to effect changes with that type of thing. I mean, I'm "on your side" and I've stopped reading at this point and will not resume.
- ath3nd 4y ago
  People picking on the argument's merit based on you using hyperbole is something that the ER and Just Stop Oil activists are used to. Saying: "our planet is gradually getting hotter, due to (preventable) man-made changes like extraction and burning of fossil fuels, raising cattle on an industrial scale, and cutting down forests, so wild fires are becoming statistically more prevalent and damaging" doesn't quite have the same ring as: "we are literally about to BOIL/BURN". I think both approaches have been tried, and both showed not much tangible result for the effort. > You cannot reach anyone that you need to reach in order to effect changes with that type of thing I don't want to reach the people, they should have come to that conclusion themselves and be demanding change from their governments and industries. If that's happening only in such a small scale now, then not enough people have understood the severity of the problem. When the problem becomes more evident and impossible to ignore by even the ones most complacent, when there is no bird song, no living animals, trees, bushes, plants, then it will be too late for anything else but the pitchforks and torches that I mentioned above, which I find to be a pity.

by ath3nd 4y ago

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ergonaught 4y ago

But, no. See: "we are literally about to BOIL" This statement is demonstrably false and completely disconnected from reality. We are not literally about to boil. You cannot reach anyone that you need to reach in order to effect changes with that type of thing. I mean, I'm "on your side" and I've stopped reading at this point and will not resume.

ath3nd 4y ago
People picking on the argument's merit based on you using hyperbole is something that the ER and Just Stop Oil activists are used to. Saying: "our planet is gradually getting hotter, due to (preventable) man-made changes like extraction and burning of fossil fuels, raising cattle on an industrial scale, and cutting down forests, so wild fires are becoming statistically more prevalent and damaging" doesn't quite have the same ring as: "we are literally about to BOIL/BURN". I think both approaches have been tried, and both showed not much tangible result for the effort. > You cannot reach anyone that you need to reach in order to effect changes with that type of thing I don't want to reach the people, they should have come to that conclusion themselves and be demanding change from their governments and industries. If that's happening only in such a small scale now, then not enough people have understood the severity of the problem. When the problem becomes more evident and impossible to ignore by even the ones most complacent, when there is no bird song, no living animals, trees, bushes, plants, then it will be too late for anything else but the pitchforks and torches that I mentioned above, which I find to be a pity.