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I could not disagree more. Do I think these stunts are childish? Sure. Do I think they're ineffective? That's harder to say--clearly most people disagree with

I could not disagree more. Do I think these stunts are childish? Sure. Do I think they're ineffective? That's harder to say--clearly most people disagree with their tactics (and I specifically disagree with blocking traffic because of potential impact to emergency vehicles), but it's gotten a whole tranche of new people talking about climate change, even if it's just to gawk at the weirdos throwing soup. There is a potential global catastrophe looming. We're capable of solving it if we can just move past our apathy. These folks are doing everything they can to shock us out of our hypnotic trance.

blueflow 4y ago
If people throwing tantrums becomes the new way to approach problems, the climate situation is going to be one of our lesser problems.
- wahnfrieden 4y ago
  What are the civil approaches that make a difference to you? Voting blue? Logical debate? Patience for scientific progress?
  - blueflow 4y ago
    Not harassing and annoying unrelated people. If your cause is holy enough that you feel entitled to harass me or vandalize my property, you are my enemy, regardless of what your goals are.
    - hdlothia 4y ago
      That would have put you as the enemy of a lot of people who made great progress. Do you think a of the rights we have today were won by people playing nicely and politely? Suffragettes, abolitionists, labor activists
      - blueflow 4y ago
        > Do you think a of the rights we have today were won by people playing nicely and politely? Yes. They identified correctly who they need to apply pressure on. If they had harassed the general population, they would have failed. Instead they were agreeable enough that they attracted allies more than they created backlash.
        hdlothia 4y ago
        What's the difference between a sit in at a department store, lunch counter or diner and one at an art gallery
        readthenotes1 4y ago
        Glue
        _Algernon_ 4y ago
        I understand that you are unlikely to agree, but environmentalists would argue that the correct group to apply pressure on are people who are responsible for fossil fuel being burned, either directly (eg. cars), or by purchasing products with embodied emissions, which are not necessary for survival, that is practically everyone alive in a developed country today.
        blueflow 4y ago
        Then prohibit fossil fuels or make it prohibitively expensive or something like that, instead of harassing random people. Heck, if you wanna glue yourself to something, at least do it in front of some politicians door, not mine.
        benwad 4y ago
        That's literally what the group are trying to do, but that decision has to be made by people in charge. That's what protest is for.
    - wahnfrieden 4y ago
      Can you be more specific? I didn't ask what doesn't work
      - blueflow 4y ago
        It is your problem that you don't know what to do. Just don't make it my problem by sabotaging my commute or my workplace. I'm just a random person, i can't help you, either.
        wahnfrieden 4y ago
        you misunderstand. you would have been as disturbed and pooh-poohing at even MLK protests, here's a quote that could have been yours if you have the capability to consider your position in a different but recent life: >Just as we formerly pointed out that "hatred and violence have no sanction in our religious and political traditions," we also point out that such actions as incite to hatred and violence, however technically peaceful those actions may be, have not contributed to the resolution of our local problems. We do not believe that these days of new hope are days when extreme measures are justified in Birmingham… >We further strongly urge our own Negro community to withdraw support from these demonstrations, and to unite locally in working peacefully for a better Birmingham. When rights are consistently denied, a cause should be pressed in the courts and in negotiations among local leaders, and not in the streets. We appeal to both our white and Negro citizenry to observe the principles of law and order and common sense.
        blueflow 4y ago
        You did not understand me. I want to live my life, don't harass me or pull me into your fights. And don't attribute random US politics to me. I'm glad these are none of my business, and i want it to stay that way.

blueflow 4y ago

If people throwing tantrums becomes the new way to approach problems, the climate situation is going to be one of our lesser problems.

wahnfrieden 4y ago
What are the civil approaches that make a difference to you? Voting blue? Logical debate? Patience for scientific progress?
- blueflow 4y ago
  Not harassing and annoying unrelated people. If your cause is holy enough that you feel entitled to harass me or vandalize my property, you are my enemy, regardless of what your goals are.
  - hdlothia 4y ago
    That would have put you as the enemy of a lot of people who made great progress. Do you think a of the rights we have today were won by people playing nicely and politely? Suffragettes, abolitionists, labor activists
    - blueflow 4y ago
      > Do you think a of the rights we have today were won by people playing nicely and politely? Yes. They identified correctly who they need to apply pressure on. If they had harassed the general population, they would have failed. Instead they were agreeable enough that they attracted allies more than they created backlash.
      - hdlothia 4y ago
        What's the difference between a sit in at a department store, lunch counter or diner and one at an art gallery
        readthenotes1 4y ago
        Glue
      - _Algernon_ 4y ago
        I understand that you are unlikely to agree, but environmentalists would argue that the correct group to apply pressure on are people who are responsible for fossil fuel being burned, either directly (eg. cars), or by purchasing products with embodied emissions, which are not necessary for survival, that is practically everyone alive in a developed country today.
        blueflow 4y ago
        Then prohibit fossil fuels or make it prohibitively expensive or something like that, instead of harassing random people. Heck, if you wanna glue yourself to something, at least do it in front of some politicians door, not mine.
        benwad 4y ago
        That's literally what the group are trying to do, but that decision has to be made by people in charge. That's what protest is for.
  - wahnfrieden 4y ago
    Can you be more specific? I didn't ask what doesn't work
    - blueflow 4y ago
      It is your problem that you don't know what to do. Just don't make it my problem by sabotaging my commute or my workplace. I'm just a random person, i can't help you, either.
      - wahnfrieden 4y ago
        you misunderstand. you would have been as disturbed and pooh-poohing at even MLK protests, here's a quote that could have been yours if you have the capability to consider your position in a different but recent life: >Just as we formerly pointed out that "hatred and violence have no sanction in our religious and political traditions," we also point out that such actions as incite to hatred and violence, however technically peaceful those actions may be, have not contributed to the resolution of our local problems. We do not believe that these days of new hope are days when extreme measures are justified in Birmingham… >We further strongly urge our own Negro community to withdraw support from these demonstrations, and to unite locally in working peacefully for a better Birmingham. When rights are consistently denied, a cause should be pressed in the courts and in negotiations among local leaders, and not in the streets. We appeal to both our white and Negro citizenry to observe the principles of law and order and common sense.
        blueflow 4y ago
        You did not understand me. I want to live my life, don't harass me or pull me into your fights. And don't attribute random US politics to me. I'm glad these are none of my business, and i want it to stay that way.