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The core issue is that you are trying to do Twitter on non-Twitter. You are at fault, and it is expected that it didn't work for you. The tool is different, the

by rakoo 4y ago

The core issue is that you are trying to do Twitter on non-Twitter. You are at fault, and it is expected that it didn't work for you. The tool is different, the ecosystem is different, the environment is different, the contracts are different. That's like complaining you can't do Twitter from inside Gmail. Learn the rules of your new place, how it works, who people are. And most importantly that no one owes you anything. The fediverse community welcomes anyone with an open mind and a will to listen.

lapcat 4y ago
1. Please re-read and follow the HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html 2. You don't speak for Mastodon or the fediverse community, so you have no right to say "The fediverse community welcomes...", especially when your comment actually implies that the community is unwelcoming to non-ideologues. 3. Does Mastodon not want Twitter refugees to join? 4. I didn't say Mastodon owes me anything. I tried it, and I didn't like it, so I left. I don't owe Mastodon my usage, nor do I owe it a good review.
- rakoo 4y ago
  > 1. Please re-read and follow the HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I'm sorry if my comment was unkind, but your dismissal of all the work done entirely by open-source volunteers after a single day of testing isn't exactly reflective of the platform, whatever the platform. > 2. You don't speak for Mastodon or the fediverse community, so you have no right to say "The fediverse community welcomes...", especially when your comment actually implies that the community is unwelcoming to non-ideologues. I speak for many accounts and many people having the same view: be open to something different, and your experience will be better. Be closed to newness and you will just not like it. It's not an ideology, it's valid for any situation where you will switch usages. The toxicity of Twitter and its 1-liners that exacerbate misunderstanding and misinterpretation thanks to an algorithm that favors anything is not something that the fediverse community wants. > 3. Does Mastodon not want Twitter refugees to join? The fediverse (not Mastodon) wants many things, but the most important one is probably that communication be free. Maybe Mastodon, the microblogging is good. Maybe WriteFreely, or Plume, the blogging software, are good for people. Maybe people want federated image sharing, so they'll be more interested in PixelFed. It's not about having the biggest numbers, because there's no benefits; it's about the freedom of its users. So, yes, if you want to keep on microblogging, please do come to the fediverse, but understand that the rules are different > 4. I didn't say Mastodon owes me anything. I tried it, and I didn't like it, so I left. I don't owe Mastodon my usage, nor do I owe it a good review. Good, because it sounded like you found your initial experience atrocious and assumed Mastodon needs changes to accomodate people migrating from Twitter.
  - lapcat 4y ago
    > your dismissal of all the work done entirely by open-source volunteers Here's the thing: I honestly don't care whether it's open source and run by volunteers. I was looking for an alternative to Twitter, period. Whether it's closed or open source, a business or a charity, that makes no difference to me. I just spent years on a closed-source for-profit platform. > be open to something different, and your experience will be better. Be closed to newness and you will just not like it. I object to this characterization. It's a straw man. I'm open to software that works well. I'm not open to software that doesn't work well. I didn't find this software to work very well for me. Maybe it doesn't align with my goals and priorities, and that's fine, but don't expect me to change my goals and priorities to accommodate Mastodon's. > assumed Mastodon needs changes to accomodate people migrating from Twitter Well, I do think that if Mastodon wants to attract and retain people migrating from Twitter, it does need to change. But I'm not personally demanding that it change. I've lost interest in it. On the other hand, if Mastodon doesn't want to attract and retain people migrating from Twitter, then don't change. :-) If a service isn't compatible with my goals and priorities, then I leave. That's what I did with Twitter, and that's what I did with Mastodon, though for different reasons in each case.

by rakoo 4y ago

lapcat 4y ago

1. Please re-read and follow the HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html 2. You don't speak for Mastodon or the fediverse community, so you have no right to say "The fediverse community welcomes...", especially when your comment actually implies that the community is unwelcoming to non-ideologues. 3. Does Mastodon not want Twitter refugees to join? 4. I didn't say Mastodon owes me anything. I tried it, and I didn't like it, so I left. I don't owe Mastodon my usage, nor do I owe it a good review.

rakoo 4y ago
> 1. Please re-read and follow the HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html I'm sorry if my comment was unkind, but your dismissal of all the work done entirely by open-source volunteers after a single day of testing isn't exactly reflective of the platform, whatever the platform. > 2. You don't speak for Mastodon or the fediverse community, so you have no right to say "The fediverse community welcomes...", especially when your comment actually implies that the community is unwelcoming to non-ideologues. I speak for many accounts and many people having the same view: be open to something different, and your experience will be better. Be closed to newness and you will just not like it. It's not an ideology, it's valid for any situation where you will switch usages. The toxicity of Twitter and its 1-liners that exacerbate misunderstanding and misinterpretation thanks to an algorithm that favors anything is not something that the fediverse community wants. > 3. Does Mastodon not want Twitter refugees to join? The fediverse (not Mastodon) wants many things, but the most important one is probably that communication be free. Maybe Mastodon, the microblogging is good. Maybe WriteFreely, or Plume, the blogging software, are good for people. Maybe people want federated image sharing, so they'll be more interested in PixelFed. It's not about having the biggest numbers, because there's no benefits; it's about the freedom of its users. So, yes, if you want to keep on microblogging, please do come to the fediverse, but understand that the rules are different > 4. I didn't say Mastodon owes me anything. I tried it, and I didn't like it, so I left. I don't owe Mastodon my usage, nor do I owe it a good review. Good, because it sounded like you found your initial experience atrocious and assumed Mastodon needs changes to accomodate people migrating from Twitter.
- lapcat 4y ago
  > your dismissal of all the work done entirely by open-source volunteers Here's the thing: I honestly don't care whether it's open source and run by volunteers. I was looking for an alternative to Twitter, period. Whether it's closed or open source, a business or a charity, that makes no difference to me. I just spent years on a closed-source for-profit platform. > be open to something different, and your experience will be better. Be closed to newness and you will just not like it. I object to this characterization. It's a straw man. I'm open to software that works well. I'm not open to software that doesn't work well. I didn't find this software to work very well for me. Maybe it doesn't align with my goals and priorities, and that's fine, but don't expect me to change my goals and priorities to accommodate Mastodon's. > assumed Mastodon needs changes to accomodate people migrating from Twitter Well, I do think that if Mastodon wants to attract and retain people migrating from Twitter, it does need to change. But I'm not personally demanding that it change. I've lost interest in it. On the other hand, if Mastodon doesn't want to attract and retain people migrating from Twitter, then don't change. :-) If a service isn't compatible with my goals and priorities, then I leave. That's what I did with Twitter, and that's what I did with Mastodon, though for different reasons in each case.