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That's definitely why I stopped using TomTom. Like gambiting, I really liked their product. They were compact, fast and the UX was great. But Google Maps is fre

That's definitely why I stopped using TomTom. Like gambiting, I really liked their product. They were compact, fast and the UX was great. But Google Maps is free.

rapind 4y ago
> But Google Maps is free. We need a new alternative word for "free" when it comes to advertising companies. Something short to say "the cost is too abstract and indirect to understand fully or describe, but does impact society at large". Maybe "free-ish"?
- yencabulator 4y ago
  "Costless" or "zero-payment".
- ferongr 4y ago
  Google Maps is "free" in the same way healthcare is "free" in many countries. The usage of the word seems fine.
  - caf 4y ago
    Closer to free-to-air TV.
- diydsp 4y ago
  Hear, hear! One suggestion: costs a drop of blood.
  - teddyh 4y ago
    More like a pound of flesh.
- frankfrankfrank 4y ago
  That is all already assumed by the word free, if one understands it, which most do not. Nothing is truly free as people commonly conceptualizer it in their mind. Just alone receiving something at all comes with strings, even if they are not apparent. There is a term that describes this issue rather well in German, “vogelfrei”. It refers to being as free as a bird, which is assumed to be a great thing, but it also means you are free to be hunted and predated. Free is also the theme of a deal with the devil. I will self-censor here a bit about what is the devil, because the devil’s censorship is more consequential than if I do it to myself for the time being.
- saiya-jin 4y ago
  There is no free lunch. Its more like you expect some idealized absolutism in market economy from people who need to eat and pay their mortgages. Its uncommon to meet an adult with such expectations, its mostly reserved for children up to certain age.
  - rapind 4y ago
    > It’s uncommon to meet an adult with such expectations I don’t think this is an accurate assumption. Many adults probably have a nagging feeling about this version of free, I doubt most of us can accurately describe the cost (and most wouldn’t care to try). I mean it really does “feel” free in that the costs are so abstract and externalized. In fact I’d argue that it has completely changed our perspective on pricing, value, and entitlement. Anyways, total tangent to the main topic.

That's definitely why I stopped using TomTom. Like gambiting, I really liked their product. They were compact, fast and the UX was great. But Google Maps is free.

rapind 4y ago

> But Google Maps is free. We need a new alternative word for "free" when it comes to advertising companies. Something short to say "the cost is too abstract and indirect to understand fully or describe, but does impact society at large". Maybe "free-ish"?

yencabulator 4y ago
"Costless" or "zero-payment".
ferongr 4y ago
Google Maps is "free" in the same way healthcare is "free" in many countries. The usage of the word seems fine.
- caf 4y ago
  Closer to free-to-air TV.
diydsp 4y ago
Hear, hear! One suggestion: costs a drop of blood.
- teddyh 4y ago
  More like a pound of flesh.
frankfrankfrank 4y ago
That is all already assumed by the word free, if one understands it, which most do not. Nothing is truly free as people commonly conceptualizer it in their mind. Just alone receiving something at all comes with strings, even if they are not apparent. There is a term that describes this issue rather well in German, “vogelfrei”. It refers to being as free as a bird, which is assumed to be a great thing, but it also means you are free to be hunted and predated. Free is also the theme of a deal with the devil. I will self-censor here a bit about what is the devil, because the devil’s censorship is more consequential than if I do it to myself for the time being.
saiya-jin 4y ago
There is no free lunch. Its more like you expect some idealized absolutism in market economy from people who need to eat and pay their mortgages. Its uncommon to meet an adult with such expectations, its mostly reserved for children up to certain age.
- rapind 4y ago
  > It’s uncommon to meet an adult with such expectations I don’t think this is an accurate assumption. Many adults probably have a nagging feeling about this version of free, I doubt most of us can accurately describe the cost (and most wouldn’t care to try). I mean it really does “feel” free in that the costs are so abstract and externalized. In fact I’d argue that it has completely changed our perspective on pricing, value, and entitlement. Anyways, total tangent to the main topic.