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Something still exists that is called CentOS, but as an upstream to rather than a downstream from RH, it’s not equivalent or even similar to what CentOS used to

by simonh 4y ago

Something still exists that is called CentOS, but as an upstream to rather than a downstream from RH, it’s not equivalent or even similar to what CentOS used to be.

flanked-evergl 4y ago
To me it is not that critical what the specific organizational structure is that relates to CentOS Stream and it's relation to RHEL. What matters more is how it affects me as someone using it. CentOS was never RHEL, it was though very close, CentOS Stream is also very close. Whenever I used RHEL or CentOS before CentOS Stream I always updated to the latest versions of packages for the major release version, if I use CentOS stream I will still get updates to the latest versions of packages for the major release version. Maybe I get them a bit earlier than RHEL, but this to me is somewhat irrelevant. If I want reproducibility there are still plenty of ways to get it, including RHEL UBI.
- type0 4y ago
  > CentOS was never RHEL, it was though very close, CentOS Stream is also very close. It was close enough, Stream is almost as close and for some people it isn't close enough when they need bit for bit compatibility for the software they are going to run
- galangalalgol 4y ago
  UBI is fine for deployment. But in a shop where development workstations are all rhel, it was nice to know that the package versions available for 7.9 matched for both rhel and centos. It isn't that centos stream has no value, its just it isn't the same value. Now rocky is. Our business already made the switch for anything it was using centos for.
mekster 4y ago
What is such a big difference as not to keep using it? You seem to believe a community supported distro was as good as a corporate supported distro and put such a high faith in it but now somehow it's all corrupt when RH supports it putting it as an upstream? If your usage is that critical, why not buy RHEL (or Ubuntu extended support) for 10 years support and stop freaking out like your Linux days have come to an end?
- simonh 4y ago
  I seem to think what? Where did you get all that from? Is there anything else ‘I seem to think’ that you’d like to tell me about?

by simonh 4y ago

Something still exists that is called CentOS, but as an upstream to rather than a downstream from RH, it’s not equivalent or even similar to what CentOS used to be.

flanked-evergl 4y ago

To me it is not that critical what the specific organizational structure is that relates to CentOS Stream and it's relation to RHEL. What matters more is how it affects me as someone using it. CentOS was never RHEL, it was though very close, CentOS Stream is also very close. Whenever I used RHEL or CentOS before CentOS Stream I always updated to the latest versions of packages for the major release version, if I use CentOS stream I will still get updates to the latest versions of packages for the major release version. Maybe I get them a bit earlier than RHEL, but this to me is somewhat irrelevant. If I want reproducibility there are still plenty of ways to get it, including RHEL UBI.

type0 4y ago
> CentOS was never RHEL, it was though very close, CentOS Stream is also very close. It was close enough, Stream is almost as close and for some people it isn't close enough when they need bit for bit compatibility for the software they are going to run
galangalalgol 4y ago
UBI is fine for deployment. But in a shop where development workstations are all rhel, it was nice to know that the package versions available for 7.9 matched for both rhel and centos. It isn't that centos stream has no value, its just it isn't the same value. Now rocky is. Our business already made the switch for anything it was using centos for.

mekster 4y ago

What is such a big difference as not to keep using it? You seem to believe a community supported distro was as good as a corporate supported distro and put such a high faith in it but now somehow it's all corrupt when RH supports it putting it as an upstream? If your usage is that critical, why not buy RHEL (or Ubuntu extended support) for 10 years support and stop freaking out like your Linux days have come to an end?

simonh 4y ago
I seem to think what? Where did you get all that from? Is there anything else ‘I seem to think’ that you’d like to tell me about?