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No one wants to need nursing home care, but we all will, unless we're lucky enough to die suddenly. And it's not a pleasant job. I guess Americans don't want t

No one wants to need nursing home care, but we all will, unless we're lucky enough to die suddenly. And it's not a pleasant job. I guess Americans don't want to do it, which brings this discussion back to the original topic.

mrguyorama 4y ago
Americans would ABSOLUTELY do this job if 1) the actual money in the system went to them instead of MBAs at the top. These companies charge the states $12k a month or more! They then give you a room, and one nurse who has like 30 people to take care of and therefore cannot give you the care and effort needed. Where the hell is the money going? Because it's not going to services rendered.
lotsofpulp 4y ago
> Americans don't want to do it At the prices being offered, because Americans have better options, is the whole statement. Some combination of price increase, quality of life at work increase, or loss of better options would need to happen to increase labor supply (from Americans).
- leereeves 4y ago
  More money only helps up to a point. Eventually most people prefer better quality of life over more money. And that's the problem: it's inherently an undesirable job. Personally, I wouldn't want that job for any amount of money. How about you?
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    Which is why I wrote: > quality of life at work increase I would work in a nursing home, but not at a price that 95% of people can afford. Probably 99% of people. But that is due to personal circumstances. Based on wage statistics, nursing home workers’ wages have lots of room for improvement. https://www.indeed.com/q-CNA-Home-Health-Aide-l-Colorado-jobs.html https://www.indeed.com/q-CNA-Home-Health-Aide-l-Colorado-job... It is basically competing with the lowest paying jobs. Hence back to my original comment about Medicare “coverage” not being a meaningful indicator of benefits one will receive.
    - leereeves 4y ago
      > It is basically competing with the lowest paying jobs. Because you're looking at the lowest level of the job (CNA, which requires a high school diploma plus a few weeks of specialized education). Compare home/nursing/hospice RN wages: https://www.indeed.com/q-Home-Health-RN-jobs.html?vjk=529507f8fc044a04 https://www.indeed.com/q-Home-Health-RN-jobs.html?vjk=529507... Some are offering over $100 per hour. Edit: I'm "posting too fast" so we'll have to stop here. But if you're aware of a nursing home where people are "rolling around their death beds in their weeks old shit filled diapers" you should report that place to the authorities. Some of them are basically scams and aren't even trying to care for patients.
      - lotsofpulp 4y ago
        But quality of life in a nursing home is affected by overburdened CNAs, hence s5300’s comment: > weeks old shit filled diapers because nobody gives the slightest fuck about them & they don’t have enough money to pay somebody to. The volatility of day to day tasks like cleaning and laundry and trash removal etc are what’s going to suck for people in nursing homes. Also, pretty much all of those $100 per hour listings are independent contractor or per diem or something that does not make them comparable to a $100 per hour W-2 salaried position.

mrguyorama 4y ago

Americans would ABSOLUTELY do this job if 1) the actual money in the system went to them instead of MBAs at the top. These companies charge the states $12k a month or more! They then give you a room, and one nurse who has like 30 people to take care of and therefore cannot give you the care and effort needed. Where the hell is the money going? Because it's not going to services rendered.

lotsofpulp 4y ago

> Americans don't want to do it At the prices being offered, because Americans have better options, is the whole statement. Some combination of price increase, quality of life at work increase, or loss of better options would need to happen to increase labor supply (from Americans).

leereeves 4y ago
More money only helps up to a point. Eventually most people prefer better quality of life over more money. And that's the problem: it's inherently an undesirable job. Personally, I wouldn't want that job for any amount of money. How about you?
- lotsofpulp 4y ago
  Which is why I wrote: > quality of life at work increase I would work in a nursing home, but not at a price that 95% of people can afford. Probably 99% of people. But that is due to personal circumstances. Based on wage statistics, nursing home workers’ wages have lots of room for improvement. https://www.indeed.com/q-CNA-Home-Health-Aide-l-Colorado-jobs.html https://www.indeed.com/q-CNA-Home-Health-Aide-l-Colorado-job... It is basically competing with the lowest paying jobs. Hence back to my original comment about Medicare “coverage” not being a meaningful indicator of benefits one will receive.
  - leereeves 4y ago
    > It is basically competing with the lowest paying jobs. Because you're looking at the lowest level of the job (CNA, which requires a high school diploma plus a few weeks of specialized education). Compare home/nursing/hospice RN wages: https://www.indeed.com/q-Home-Health-RN-jobs.html?vjk=529507f8fc044a04 https://www.indeed.com/q-Home-Health-RN-jobs.html?vjk=529507... Some are offering over $100 per hour. Edit: I'm "posting too fast" so we'll have to stop here. But if you're aware of a nursing home where people are "rolling around their death beds in their weeks old shit filled diapers" you should report that place to the authorities. Some of them are basically scams and aren't even trying to care for patients.
    - lotsofpulp 4y ago
      But quality of life in a nursing home is affected by overburdened CNAs, hence s5300’s comment: > weeks old shit filled diapers because nobody gives the slightest fuck about them & they don’t have enough money to pay somebody to. The volatility of day to day tasks like cleaning and laundry and trash removal etc are what’s going to suck for people in nursing homes. Also, pretty much all of those $100 per hour listings are independent contractor or per diem or something that does not make them comparable to a $100 per hour W-2 salaried position.