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They're still able to have fun there. Rides continue to work :) On the other side, in some parts of Europe there's a discussion to let the infected go to work

They're still able to have fun there. Rides continue to work :) On the other side, in some parts of Europe there's a discussion to let the infected go to work (even with symptoms and of course, if one's feeling capable of work) - but, still, go to work with other infected/work with infected. I can understand that with so high density in people even one infection can lead to big massive spreads and thus to overloaded capacity of local hospitals in less than 48h - but, it's too much. I don't have a suggestion how to handle that either. The Best would be everyone just stick a few weeks to the measures and diminish the countless spots to a few controllable one's. If that would be possible, we would not only reduce the cases, but also slowly minimize the spreading. May be 1-2 months, everything wouldn't be a problem any more.. Nike: just do it :)

christkv 4y ago
You'll live in the park forever. Forcefully made to ride the rides everyday to keep up the Disney spirit and getting the same Mickey shaped burger each day as the mascots slowly spiral into demented depression.
tcmb 4y ago
> The Best would be everyone just stick a few weeks to the measures and diminish the countless spots to a few controllable one's. Isn’t that what China has been attempting for months, rather unsuccessfully?
- Firmwarrior 4y ago
  Their strategy is extremely successful. They have an excuse to lock people down and turn parts of the country into a prison any time they want.. forever!
  - ithkuil 4y ago
    Are you saying that the CCP just wants to lock up people for the perverse pleasure of having random people locked up? Regimes lock up particular people when particular people are a threat. They may lock people up unnecessarily just to err on the side of caution. But if they overdo it it can backfire. So far the main reason I hear from Chinese people to criticize Xi and the CCP is mostly about COVID and lockdowns, and never for any of the reasons westerners point the finger against the regime
    - injinj 4y ago
      It's sort of a neo-hukou system? A positive covid signal is basically house arrest. Since they do covid tests in batches of 20, it is expected to get false positives.
- tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago
  It's surprising how successful it is given relatively low immunity among the population and how infectious the new variants are. And yet its both unsustainable and will have to be maintained forever. There is currently no plausible path out of the measures. If you had to choose between a 1% risk of being crippled by COVID, or a 100% risk of living under the strictest lockdown measures your country had for the rest of your life, what would you choose? And the actual risk of long-term consequences is lower.
paganel 4y ago
> On the other side, in some parts of Europe there's a discussion to let the infected go to work I live in Europe, the "infected" have gone to work since this February just fine. I mean, those that didn't call in sick days out of their own volition.
sydd 4y ago
> They're still able to have fun there. Rides continue to work :) Mr. Bones wild ride is real! https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/rhs54/one_does_not_simply_get_off_of_mr_bones_wild_ride/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/rhs54/one_does_not_...
derkades 4y ago
Here in the Netherlands, it may not be policy, but a large number of people just don't care anymore. People with symptoms like coughing and changing tone of voice are still going to school, work and parties. No one wears masks except for some tourists or other foreigners. When planning an event, not a single moment is thought about COVID.
- smcl 4y ago
  Broadly similar in CZ - masks aren't anywhere now and I don't anticipate anyone wearing them unless mandated. Even then, I can see a lot of resistance unless they send the police to into public transport and shops to dish out some severe on-the-spot fines. There are also a lot of people I know who have the "oh I have had this weird cough for days, and I feel a bit off ... but it's not covid I did a home test!" followed a few days later with "ok I have covid". It's a little frustrating, because a bit of painless extra caution now could help avoid something stronger down the line :-/
- ummonk 4y ago
  I wish we (in my case America, but this applies everywhere outside some parts of East Asia really) could just go back to normal but have normal include not going outside, or at least wearing a mask and frequently washing hands when you get the cold...
- mettamage 4y ago
  I don't care anymore because I've eyeballed that on average 5 people are dying per day (1825 per year) [1], and it doesn't seem to be changing. That's less than flu season (which is more like 3000 to 5000 per year). I don't have sources for the flu. I read it somewhere, I might be underestimating or overestimating a bit. And of course, all those deaths are horrible, and I feel that pain when I contemplate that for a second. But in my day to day life, I don't see why I'd need to change my behavior. I am a bit worried about the effects of long Covid for people, but IMO I feel like I need to choose the lesser between two evils which is: 1. Do I lock myself down for 2 years, and fight preventing long Covid and 2% deaths population wide? 2. Do I lock myself down for 5 years, and fight preventing reduced long Covid and 0.15% deaths population wide? The choices are written down simplified. If you think that there's hindsight bias, there's some but a lot less than you think. I was 2 to 3 weeks ahead of the Dutch government at any point in time. I've been able to protect all the people I care about. For example, my grandparents/parents never caught Covid when there was no vaccine (I was tracking Covid since mid Feb 2022 as a potential threat and constantly ran the probabilities). I'm not even sure if my grandparents ever caught it. [1] coronadashboard.rijksoverheid.nl
tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago
The problem with the "just a short lockdown" approach is that there is no endgame. As soon as you stop the lockdowns you're back to square one very quickly unless you take extremely drastical measures like China does. This would involve extreme travel restrictions to/from any place that doesn't take a similar approach.
mantas 4y ago
> in some parts of Europe there's a discussion to let the infected go to work Discussions? It's already a thing at least here in Lithuania. Unless you're seriously ill with side effects, you're good to go.

christkv 4y ago

You'll live in the park forever. Forcefully made to ride the rides everyday to keep up the Disney spirit and getting the same Mickey shaped burger each day as the mascots slowly spiral into demented depression.

tcmb 4y ago

> The Best would be everyone just stick a few weeks to the measures and diminish the countless spots to a few controllable one's. Isn’t that what China has been attempting for months, rather unsuccessfully?

Firmwarrior 4y ago
Their strategy is extremely successful. They have an excuse to lock people down and turn parts of the country into a prison any time they want.. forever!
- ithkuil 4y ago
  Are you saying that the CCP just wants to lock up people for the perverse pleasure of having random people locked up? Regimes lock up particular people when particular people are a threat. They may lock people up unnecessarily just to err on the side of caution. But if they overdo it it can backfire. So far the main reason I hear from Chinese people to criticize Xi and the CCP is mostly about COVID and lockdowns, and never for any of the reasons westerners point the finger against the regime
  - injinj 4y ago
    It's sort of a neo-hukou system? A positive covid signal is basically house arrest. Since they do covid tests in batches of 20, it is expected to get false positives.
tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago
It's surprising how successful it is given relatively low immunity among the population and how infectious the new variants are. And yet its both unsustainable and will have to be maintained forever. There is currently no plausible path out of the measures. If you had to choose between a 1% risk of being crippled by COVID, or a 100% risk of living under the strictest lockdown measures your country had for the rest of your life, what would you choose? And the actual risk of long-term consequences is lower.

paganel 4y ago

> On the other side, in some parts of Europe there's a discussion to let the infected go to work I live in Europe, the "infected" have gone to work since this February just fine. I mean, those that didn't call in sick days out of their own volition.

sydd 4y ago

> They're still able to have fun there. Rides continue to work :) Mr. Bones wild ride is real! https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/rhs54/one_does_not_simply_get_off_of_mr_bones_wild_ride/ https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/rhs54/one_does_not_...

derkades 4y ago

Here in the Netherlands, it may not be policy, but a large number of people just don't care anymore. People with symptoms like coughing and changing tone of voice are still going to school, work and parties. No one wears masks except for some tourists or other foreigners. When planning an event, not a single moment is thought about COVID.

smcl 4y ago
Broadly similar in CZ - masks aren't anywhere now and I don't anticipate anyone wearing them unless mandated. Even then, I can see a lot of resistance unless they send the police to into public transport and shops to dish out some severe on-the-spot fines. There are also a lot of people I know who have the "oh I have had this weird cough for days, and I feel a bit off ... but it's not covid I did a home test!" followed a few days later with "ok I have covid". It's a little frustrating, because a bit of painless extra caution now could help avoid something stronger down the line :-/
ummonk 4y ago
I wish we (in my case America, but this applies everywhere outside some parts of East Asia really) could just go back to normal but have normal include not going outside, or at least wearing a mask and frequently washing hands when you get the cold...
mettamage 4y ago
I don't care anymore because I've eyeballed that on average 5 people are dying per day (1825 per year) [1], and it doesn't seem to be changing. That's less than flu season (which is more like 3000 to 5000 per year). I don't have sources for the flu. I read it somewhere, I might be underestimating or overestimating a bit. And of course, all those deaths are horrible, and I feel that pain when I contemplate that for a second. But in my day to day life, I don't see why I'd need to change my behavior. I am a bit worried about the effects of long Covid for people, but IMO I feel like I need to choose the lesser between two evils which is: 1. Do I lock myself down for 2 years, and fight preventing long Covid and 2% deaths population wide? 2. Do I lock myself down for 5 years, and fight preventing reduced long Covid and 0.15% deaths population wide? The choices are written down simplified. If you think that there's hindsight bias, there's some but a lot less than you think. I was 2 to 3 weeks ahead of the Dutch government at any point in time. I've been able to protect all the people I care about. For example, my grandparents/parents never caught Covid when there was no vaccine (I was tracking Covid since mid Feb 2022 as a potential threat and constantly ran the probabilities). I'm not even sure if my grandparents ever caught it. [1] coronadashboard.rijksoverheid.nl

tgsovlerkhgsel 4y ago

The problem with the "just a short lockdown" approach is that there is no endgame. As soon as you stop the lockdowns you're back to square one very quickly unless you take extremely drastical measures like China does. This would involve extreme travel restrictions to/from any place that doesn't take a similar approach.

mantas 4y ago

> in some parts of Europe there's a discussion to let the infected go to work Discussions? It's already a thing at least here in Lithuania. Unless you're seriously ill with side effects, you're good to go.