There's some more discussion of ipsec in the thread https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2020-July/036077.html https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cry

There's some more discussion of ipsec in the thread https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2020-July/036077.html https://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2020-July/03... I'd be interested to see references to SSL too (from a historical perspective)