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From what I see, It seems the general theme of generative AI on HN and on the web is this: Using an AI writer generator (GPT-3): "Looks great, I can make a gre

From what I see, It seems the general theme of generative AI on HN and on the web is this: Using an AI writer generator (GPT-3): "Looks great, I can make a great SEO blog and a storybook SaaS out of this now, I don't need a writer anymore. Writers adapt or die." Using an AI artist generator (DALL-E, Stable Diffusion, Midjourney): "Looks brilliant, this IS the future. it's inevitable, I don't need an artist anymore. Artists must adapt or die, sorry." Using an AI code generator (programmers) (Copilot, Replit Ghostwriter): "No thank you, Bad. legislation now, why are you violating my copyright / open source licence?" Why does it seem OK to obsolete complete industries by outright violating copyright laws, stealing work (even generating with a shutterstock watermark!), often without attribution and hail this as a new dawn for AI? Or is this mainly VCs finding out that this is now a new way to 'provide shareholder value' despite all the costs that come with it. So just throw cash at any startup that can generate a hot dog image in any style or generate a hot dog detector with copyrighted code, writing hotdog story no matter how bad the story is.

pasquinelli 4y ago
as with anything, reasoning is motivated by class interests. reasoning flows out of class interests. thinking exists in the first place to satisfy needs. by the way, you forgot hypothetical fleets of self-driving trucks putting truckers out of work, and so on.
capitalsigma 4y ago
HN is pretty pro-Copilot in most threads I've seen. Honestly I think I have seen this comment -- "you programmers sure like generative models when it impacts other industries but you get awfully defensive when it comes to your own!" -- much more often than I have seen anyone actually push back against Copilot. Frankly I think it's projection from non-SWEs who don't understand that automating your work away is the core mission of software development. There are good reasons to worry about how Copilot might impact the quality of software, especially if it's being used by someone who doesn't understand the generated code, but "what about my job safety??" is nowhere on the list.
- colesantiago 4y ago
  Don't think you looked hard enough, there was a massive thread on an article against GitHub Copilot around 15 days ago [0] [1]. [0] https://githubcopilotinvestigation.com/ https://githubcopilotinvestigation.com/ [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33226515 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33226515
  - cthalupa 4y ago
    Most of the comments I see are taking issue with exact replication of code - this is obviously copyright infringement. The same thing can occur with Stable Diffusion - if I output an image of Iron Man, this is also copyright infringement. Both are bad. Realizing this does not mean that you must inherently be against Co-Pilot or Stable Diffusion. It would be just as bad if I copied the code with a ctrl+c ctrl+v, or drew Iron Man with a pen and pencil. There are of course some people in there against the very idea of Co-Pilot, but from my quick skimming they do appear to be the minority.
  - BeFlatXIII 4y ago
    It's almost as if different people have differing opinions.
encryptluks2 4y ago
Using AI to create more powerful AI
yawnxyz 4y ago
I'm ok with my code training co-pilot, just please don't reveal my API keys

pasquinelli 4y ago

as with anything, reasoning is motivated by class interests. reasoning flows out of class interests. thinking exists in the first place to satisfy needs. by the way, you forgot hypothetical fleets of self-driving trucks putting truckers out of work, and so on.

capitalsigma 4y ago

HN is pretty pro-Copilot in most threads I've seen. Honestly I think I have seen this comment -- "you programmers sure like generative models when it impacts other industries but you get awfully defensive when it comes to your own!" -- much more often than I have seen anyone actually push back against Copilot. Frankly I think it's projection from non-SWEs who don't understand that automating your work away is the core mission of software development. There are good reasons to worry about how Copilot might impact the quality of software, especially if it's being used by someone who doesn't understand the generated code, but "what about my job safety??" is nowhere on the list.

colesantiago 4y ago
Don't think you looked hard enough, there was a massive thread on an article against GitHub Copilot around 15 days ago [0] [1]. [0] https://githubcopilotinvestigation.com/ https://githubcopilotinvestigation.com/ [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33226515 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33226515
- cthalupa 4y ago
  Most of the comments I see are taking issue with exact replication of code - this is obviously copyright infringement. The same thing can occur with Stable Diffusion - if I output an image of Iron Man, this is also copyright infringement. Both are bad. Realizing this does not mean that you must inherently be against Co-Pilot or Stable Diffusion. It would be just as bad if I copied the code with a ctrl+c ctrl+v, or drew Iron Man with a pen and pencil. There are of course some people in there against the very idea of Co-Pilot, but from my quick skimming they do appear to be the minority.
- BeFlatXIII 4y ago
  It's almost as if different people have differing opinions.

encryptluks2 4y ago

Using AI to create more powerful AI

yawnxyz 4y ago

I'm ok with my code training co-pilot, just please don't reveal my API keys