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Elon is the PM from hell. Has some shower thought and starts throwing tickets on everyone's board 45 minutes later. This is why the Model X has those silly doo
by pkulak 4y ago
Elon is the PM from hell. Has some shower thought and starts throwing tickets on everyone's board 45 minutes later.
This is why the Model X has those silly doors.
- pie420 4y agoThe model X is also probably one of the most profitable and iconic cars in the modern era.
- shitloadofbooks 4y agoDo you have any evidence for "most profitable" at all? Looks-wise, it's basically indistinguishable from a Model 3 (which are everywhere), so hardly iconic in any way.
- roflyear 4y agoIt is pulled out of his butt, the F150 sells 3/4 of a million a year (just the f150!) and makes on the low end a gross profit of $10k per sold. The model x sold about 7.5k cars in 2021, way down from the 20-30k it was selling each year. OK let's say it sold $30k, and Tesla made a profit of $100k (more than the car sells for) for each car. That's still less than 50% of the F150 yearly profit. LOL.
- panick21_ 4y agoComparing it to the F150 is idiotic. That's the most sold car in the US and in a different segment. Compare it to other comparable cars in the same segment and it looks pretty damn good. Lower volume high margin cars are really worth it for companies and Ford wishes it had an EV in that classed that sold have as well. The Model X sells in numbers not unlike Mach E while having double the price.
- ziddoap 4y ago>most profitable and iconic cars in the modern era. That's what the parent said. Not "in the EV market segment", not "looks pretty damn good". I agree it's a silly comparison to make normally, but it's a perfectly apt reply to someone stating something so obviously out-of-touch, like the Model X being the most profitable car in the modern era.
- roflyear 4y agoThey said the most profitable car! I know it isn't a good comparison, I'm just saying what they are saying isn't true. The profit MARGIN of the model x is great tho.
- panick21_ 4y agoI assumed he meant margin. In terms of total profit, the Model Y will be the most profitable car next year, overtaking the F150.
- pkulak 4y agoI'd argue in spite of its doors. A long-range EV in the most popular segment, a full decade before a single competitor? That thing could have had a single door on the front, like the BMW Isetta, and it still would have sold like mad.
- rconti 4y agoI'm sure it's actually the least successful vehicle Tesla sells.
- thepasswordis 4y agoBecause the base model is $120,000. A model 3, the budget/everyman car is $40k, and the Model Y is almost $70k.
- panick21_ 4y agoIts comparable in sales to the Model S I think. Maybe even outsells it in some places. And sells more then many other cars in that category.
- rconti 4y agoLooks like it outsold the S for a couple of years (2019-2020?) https://cleantechnica.com/2021/07/03/tesla-model-3-model-y-model-s-model-x-sales-estimates-1st-half-of-2021/amp/ https://cleantechnica.com/2021/07/03/tesla-model-3-model-y-m...
- deelowe 4y agoIsn’t it their worst performing model?
- jpgvm 4y agoBy number of sales it's a wash between it and the S. Which are both low volume, high margin, luxury vehicles. Their high volume vehicles, the 3 and the Y drastically out-sell them naturally. However the X and the S have very high margins in all configurations so they bring in an outsized amount of profit given their share of sales. That said the margins on the Model 3/Y are nothing to snuff at and are superior to any other mass market vehicle.
- danparsonson 4y agoIconic? To my eyes it's corporate memphis in car form.
- roflyear 4y agoYou sure? The model x that sells like 10-30k cars a year is the MOST PROFITABLE CAR IN THE MODERN ERA? When compared to cars like the F150 that bring in literally billions of dollars in profit a year? Are you sure? Oh, you're going to say you weren't counting trucks ;) Mercedes, BMW, Lexus still blow Tesla out of the water with their lineup.
- dshpala 4y agoI'll take those silly doors any day over some designed-by-committe boring car. Like stupid bean-shaped electric Mercedes for example.
- sillysaurusx 4y agoWait till it freezes in winter. Those doors are great, till they’re covered in a small layer of ice. The doors are an interesting example since they always seemed strictly worse than the traditional design, unlike the rest of the car.
- scoot 4y ago> unlike the rest of the car A touchscreen is objectively worse than traditional physical controls for operations that need to be performed while concentrating on driving. Teslas are also not known for the quality of their manufacturing, although that's a different kind of design issue.
- darknavi 4y agoDo the falcon doors really freeze up or just the handles (actually curious). I have a Model 3 and the handles DO freeze over, though I normally pre-heat my car (EV FTW) and it normally isn't an issue.
- MAGZine 4y agoi've lived in cold places where i've worried about breaking the handle off trying to get into my car. usually in the early spring when the warm sun can melt snow, but it has time to freeze as well.
- panick21_ 4y agoI live in cold Switzerland and a family in my house with 3 little children has one of them. The car is always parked outside. They seem really happy with it and this was never mentioned as an issue.
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- shepherdjerred 4y agoHow do you reconcile that view with Elon's successful ventures, e.g. the other Tesla's, Starlink, and SpaceX?
- 93po 4y agoIt's reconciled that these people have elon derangement syndrome and insist that they know his business better than he does despite never having done anything like it before in their lives
- sharkjacobs 4y agoI'm not OP but I think that they said that Elon sounds like a bad PM to work under, not that he's unsuccessful at developing and marketing products
- shepherdjerred 4y agoI replied to OP but the question was pointed to a broader audience. Many on HN have _very_ negative feelings for Elon. He's a pretty crazy guy, but I can think of few people/companies who are doing things that could have as big of an impact as Tesla, Starlink, and SpaceX. I understand how you could have doubts with Tesla, but that how could those feelings not dissolve when seeing those reusable boosters land on their own? How many other organizations could do such a thing?
- jstummbillig 4y agoConsidering they used "shower thoughts" to devalue the idea before factoring in Elons incredible track record (by company/capitalist metrics, no personal judgement required), I feel that you are being very generous towards OP.
- jevgeni 4y agoDon't confuse overheated valuations with business success.
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- thepasswordis 4y ago>Elon is the PM from hell. And yet his companies are some of the most difficult to get a job at. Interesting.
- hello639 4y ago> And yet his companies are some of the most difficult to get a job at. Interesting. It’s more difficult to get a tech job at FBI/CIA than Google. Does that make the US government a more desirable place to work? As an aside, top talent definitely does NOT work at Elon’s companies. Top talent knows that “a good company mission” does not pay for rent, mortgage, or daycare.
- TheAceOfHearts 4y ago> As an aside, top talent definitely does NOT work at Elon’s companies. This is just not true. There's tons of exceptional engineers working at various of Elon's companies. Would you really claim that SpaceX doesn't have world-class engineers?
- rurp 4y agoA company can employ some world class engineers and still be easier to get a tech job at than the FBI/CIA.
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- cdash 4y agoHe has been planning this since before he ever made a proposal to buy the company.
- smcl 4y agoHe has been planning to put out a "hey who would pay $20 for a blue check" tweet followed by an immediate capitulation to "ok what about $8?" when a big name mocks the idea - that was the plan? That is ... not a good plan.
- panick21_ 4y agoModel X is one of the best selling electric cars in the US and has very large margin for Tesla. It made a lot of news and an differentiates it from other vehicles in the class. I'm not sure I would consider it a failure.
- rideontime 4y agoWho said it was a failure? Parent merely said it has silly doors.
- tenpies 4y ago> Model X is one of the best selling electric cars in the US No, that car is essentially a failure and I'm amazed Tesla hasn't completely cut it from production. It sold 1,316 units in the US September. They were selling almost 4,000 in September of '18. Even if you wanted to go by year, you're talking about 26,000 sold in the entire US in 2020 (it's best year and I'm ignoring '21 since there was a factory shut down)[1]. It's just not a good vehicle, doesn't sell well, and is utterly unusable if you live anywhere with rain or snow. [1] https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/tesla-model-x-sales-figures-usa-canada/ https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/tesla-model-x-sales-figures-us...
- panick21_ 4y agoYou are just talking nonsense. Its a luxury car, Audi is selling less e-Trons then Tesla is selling Model X in the US. The Model X this year sold almost as many vehicles as Ford Mach-E while costing 2x as much. If you compare the Model X to other cars in that price class the Model X is doing fine. And of course they did a major revamp completely changing the architecture and have to deliver the car from 1 factory to whole world. The Model S had priority at first and the Model X was only slowly added to production again. If you think Model X is a failure you don't understand the car industry. A car with that kind of margin is well worth doing even if it peaks at 40-50k a year globally. > and is utterly unusable if you live anywhere with rain or snow This is simply inaccurate.
- speedgoose 4y agoI suspect the low numbers are related to production and supply chain issues. You still need to wait for months to buy one. Also most Tesla customers would buy a Y these days. I see many X in Norway, which has a lot of rain and snow. What are the issues you mention?
- yrgulation 4y agoI like those doors, i like variety.
- 93po 4y agospace man has them on his car therefore they're bad and everything he does is bad