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> These are very desirable jobs. People would bend over backwards to work at Twitter. Every sane person I talk to has the opinion that there are not enough mon

> These are very desirable jobs. People would bend over backwards to work at Twitter. Every sane person I talk to has the opinion that there are not enough money in the world to deal with an asshole like Musk. Time change but history repeats itself . It’s always right wing nuts and generally people who fall for cults who end up in the bunker where they discover that the person whom they thought was god , in reality just a human

legitster 4y ago
> Every sane person I talk to has the opinion that there are not enough money in the world to deal with an asshole like Musk. Yes. To the people you and I talk to. But if you talk to a 4th year computer science student at Cal Tech who is already putting in 90 hours of work a week for professors he hates, Twitter just popped on their radar.
- ryanwaggoner 4y ago
  Based on what? Why wouldn’t that student go work somewhere with great WLB, more pay, and less stress? What does Musk’s Twitter have to offer?
  - legitster 4y ago
    I won't speak for others but I didn't give a crap about WLB in my 20s. Or job security. I didn't have to be in school anymore! If the job was fun and you got to work someplace cool that's just gravy - I was more than happy to cut into my video game time. But even to this day, working 60 hours a week for a place where you can arbitrary push code into production and see what happens IS ALWAYS going to be more fun and rewarding than sitting in a team meeting reviewing the wording on BRDs for 20 hours a week.
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    - yafbum 4y ago
      > to this day, working 60 hours a week for a place where you can arbitrary push code into production and see what happens IS ALWAYS going to be more fun and rewarding than sitting in a team meeting reviewing the wording on BRDs for 20 hours a week. This only works for subscale businesses. Once a company becomes big enough, that kind of approach ends up causing production outages, private data spillage, or PR / customer / regulatory shitstorms about changes that went in without anyone else being briefed about them. It's fine if you don't have a lot of demanding users or social relevance but I don't think this would be a wise direction for something the size of Twitter
      - ryanwaggoner 4y ago
        Seriously, there’s zero chance of Twitter being some cowboy coder paradise where anyone who wants to can just arbitrarily push code to production, not with billions at stake. It’ll still have large company bureaucratic bullshit. And if is that cowboy coder paradise, that’ll make me even less likely to climb in a self driving car or a rocket from one of Musk’s companies than I already am.
willcipriano 4y ago
> Every sane person I talk to has the opinion that there are not enough money in the world to deal with an asshole like Musk. You don't talk to any poor people. They already have a bad boss that underpays them, a bad boss that pays them well is a massive upgrade.
- ryanwaggoner 4y ago
  Those people can’t do the work in question, or they’d already be employed somewhere doing it. Twitter has paid well because they have to in order to hire good talent, and that won’t change.
  - Infinitesimus 4y ago
    .... you don't actually believe that do you? There are very few positions in rich, big companies and many many people competing for them. Many people could do those jobs but are unable to get in for a variety of life reasons.
    - ryanwaggoner 4y ago
      That’s fair, when I said they “can’t do those jobs”, I meant a combination of “they can’t do and / or can’t get hired for those jobs”, and I don’t see why Twitter slashing staff, requiring more work, and likely paying less is going to change that. Why would a job at Twitter be more accessible to someone in 2023 than it was in 2021?

legitster 4y ago

> Every sane person I talk to has the opinion that there are not enough money in the world to deal with an asshole like Musk. Yes. To the people you and I talk to. But if you talk to a 4th year computer science student at Cal Tech who is already putting in 90 hours of work a week for professors he hates, Twitter just popped on their radar.

ryanwaggoner 4y ago
Based on what? Why wouldn’t that student go work somewhere with great WLB, more pay, and less stress? What does Musk’s Twitter have to offer?
- legitster 4y ago
  I won't speak for others but I didn't give a crap about WLB in my 20s. Or job security. I didn't have to be in school anymore! If the job was fun and you got to work someplace cool that's just gravy - I was more than happy to cut into my video game time. But even to this day, working 60 hours a week for a place where you can arbitrary push code into production and see what happens IS ALWAYS going to be more fun and rewarding than sitting in a team meeting reviewing the wording on BRDs for 20 hours a week.
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  - yafbum 4y ago
    > to this day, working 60 hours a week for a place where you can arbitrary push code into production and see what happens IS ALWAYS going to be more fun and rewarding than sitting in a team meeting reviewing the wording on BRDs for 20 hours a week. This only works for subscale businesses. Once a company becomes big enough, that kind of approach ends up causing production outages, private data spillage, or PR / customer / regulatory shitstorms about changes that went in without anyone else being briefed about them. It's fine if you don't have a lot of demanding users or social relevance but I don't think this would be a wise direction for something the size of Twitter
    - ryanwaggoner 4y ago
      Seriously, there’s zero chance of Twitter being some cowboy coder paradise where anyone who wants to can just arbitrarily push code to production, not with billions at stake. It’ll still have large company bureaucratic bullshit. And if is that cowboy coder paradise, that’ll make me even less likely to climb in a self driving car or a rocket from one of Musk’s companies than I already am.

willcipriano 4y ago

> Every sane person I talk to has the opinion that there are not enough money in the world to deal with an asshole like Musk. You don't talk to any poor people. They already have a bad boss that underpays them, a bad boss that pays them well is a massive upgrade.

ryanwaggoner 4y ago
Those people can’t do the work in question, or they’d already be employed somewhere doing it. Twitter has paid well because they have to in order to hire good talent, and that won’t change.
- Infinitesimus 4y ago
  .... you don't actually believe that do you? There are very few positions in rich, big companies and many many people competing for them. Many people could do those jobs but are unable to get in for a variety of life reasons.
  - ryanwaggoner 4y ago
    That’s fair, when I said they “can’t do those jobs”, I meant a combination of “they can’t do and / or can’t get hired for those jobs”, and I don’t see why Twitter slashing staff, requiring more work, and likely paying less is going to change that. Why would a job at Twitter be more accessible to someone in 2023 than it was in 2021?