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Even if your argument is sound, as an employer, it is in your rational self-interest to oppose this regulation for all the _other_ unfair advantages it gives yo

Even if your argument is sound, as an employer, it is in your rational self-interest to oppose this regulation for all the _other_ unfair advantages it gives you. Thus your argument is already suspect because apparently, you're at a minimum non-committal about the unfair parts and want to hold on to this presumably more fair advantage, as well. However, even the case you mention is unfair too. You're basically preserving your negotiation advantage to give you cheaper access to higher-performing talent. Indeed, the very argument you make for candidates -- "just tell me your expectations" -- can be turned upon you -- "well, just tell me what you'd pay a top performer", and surprise, you don't want to, because it lessens your advantage. This is exactly why this regulation exists -- no employer can justify the asymmetry in a candidate-positive way that holds water, so the government has to step in to correct the power imbalance.

chrisdbanks 4y ago
Which other unfair advantages? Another way to look at this is that the employee is selling the employer a service. When you buy something from a shop do you expect to name your price, or do you expect see a price label? In that case the seller almost always names their price first. Do you like going into shops where their are no prices listed?
- throwaway292939 4y ago
  Shops are just one model of transacting. But there are plenty of cases where sellers don't list their price and they have worked fine - think about the auction model for one. As an aside.. when do we use auctions? We don't use it for commodity items (no sense in buying a pack of candy in auctions).
- spopejoy 4y ago
  > Which other unfair advantages? If you're unaware of how this issue negatively affects salaries for women and other minorities, I respectfully suggest you do a little more research on this topic. Here's a quick google hit, but there are many, many more resources: https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220929-the-us-push-for-pay-transparency https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220929-the-us-push-fo... > Another way to look at this is that the employee is selling the employer a service. Which would be a pretty ideological/libertarian way to present it. This isn't an auction; it's how people eat and put a roof over their head, and they have no choice but to play.

chrisdbanks 4y ago

Which other unfair advantages? Another way to look at this is that the employee is selling the employer a service. When you buy something from a shop do you expect to name your price, or do you expect see a price label? In that case the seller almost always names their price first. Do you like going into shops where their are no prices listed?

throwaway292939 4y ago
Shops are just one model of transacting. But there are plenty of cases where sellers don't list their price and they have worked fine - think about the auction model for one. As an aside.. when do we use auctions? We don't use it for commodity items (no sense in buying a pack of candy in auctions).
spopejoy 4y ago
> Which other unfair advantages? If you're unaware of how this issue negatively affects salaries for women and other minorities, I respectfully suggest you do a little more research on this topic. Here's a quick google hit, but there are many, many more resources: https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220929-the-us-push-for-pay-transparency https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20220929-the-us-push-fo... > Another way to look at this is that the employee is selling the employer a service. Which would be a pretty ideological/libertarian way to present it. This isn't an auction; it's how people eat and put a roof over their head, and they have no choice but to play.