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I think people might be missing the point here. Elon probably wants higher turnover. These are very desirable jobs. People would bend over backwards to work at

I think people might be missing the point here. Elon probably wants higher turnover. These are very desirable jobs. People would bend over backwards to work at Twitter. Younger, cheaper people who have strong ideas of how to fix Twitter and would actually try to push these ideas. And these seats are currently filled with older, expensive employees who like things the way they are averse to things breaking. Either that or you are a rough and tumble old timer who can thrive in chaos. This is very intentionally the model at his other companies. Or places like Amazon where they have almost perfected the art of extracting exactly 3 years of valuable work from young developers. I don't think Musk actually cares about that 84th hour of work. But I think he is very much trying to signal to current and potential employees that this will not be a comfortable long term career prospect.

mindcrime 4y ago
These are very desirable jobs. s/are/were
- legitster 4y ago
  I understand your point, but if he even gets a fraction of the talent they have to turn down at SpaceX or Tesla he'll do just fine.
  - blaser-waffle 4y ago
    Still a lot of Musk fanboys. And it's still a large, complex, big-name Tech company; experience with working on problems at that scale could open doors later, regardless of who is calling the shots at the top.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  There are lots of hungry developers around that world that would kill to work 12/7 and take home 200k USD
galaxyLogic 4y ago
If that is such a great idea then why didn't the earlier owners think of it? They are experienced business-people as well I would think. Were they just dumb? Or is this just the ego of Musk trying to generate the maximum of mentions of himself in the media?
gort19 4y ago
Hamuko 4y ago
>People would bend over backwards to work at Twitter. Sure, I'd love to work in a company with the guy that couldn't really decide whether or not he wants to go through the agreement he signed, carried toilet furniture in as his first job as the CEO and then is threatening to fire huge amounts of the current employees. I mean, what could possible go wrong?
- legitster 4y ago
  I know you are trying to be flip here, but I can almost guarantee you that their number of job applicants has probably exploded as a result of these shenanigans.
  - ryanwaggoner 4y ago
    I seriously doubt that their volume of qualified applicants has exploded. Working at Twitter just isn’t competitive anymore, in terms of comp, WLB, and basic human decency. Unless he’s going to start paying people twice as much, most good engineers will go elsewhere. Maybe he can get away with it for something like self driving cars or rockets, but you want me to work overtime under the threat of a layoff for below market wages for a social network? Laughable.
systemvoltage 4y ago
I don't see any problem here, those who don't want to do this are more than welcome to leave. You can fire your employer, instantly. This isn't slavery. There are already examples of his companies: SpaceX and Tesla. People are willingly rallying behind his vision and are being compensated for that through prestige/stock/pride/whatever. If it was a minimum wage job, I’d have issues with this. But, these employees have $300k TC and have plenty of buffer. They had 6 months of heads-up to leave.
Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago
> These are very desirable jobs. People would bend over backwards to work at Twitter. Every sane person I talk to has the opinion that there are not enough money in the world to deal with an asshole like Musk. Time change but history repeats itself . It’s always right wing nuts and generally people who fall for cults who end up in the bunker where they discover that the person whom they thought was god , in reality just a human
- legitster 4y ago
  > Every sane person I talk to has the opinion that there are not enough money in the world to deal with an asshole like Musk. Yes. To the people you and I talk to. But if you talk to a 4th year computer science student at Cal Tech who is already putting in 90 hours of work a week for professors he hates, Twitter just popped on their radar.
  - ryanwaggoner 4y ago
    Based on what? Why wouldn’t that student go work somewhere with great WLB, more pay, and less stress? What does Musk’s Twitter have to offer?
    - legitster 4y ago
      I won't speak for others but I didn't give a crap about WLB in my 20s. Or job security. I didn't have to be in school anymore! If the job was fun and you got to work someplace cool that's just gravy - I was more than happy to cut into my video game time. But even to this day, working 60 hours a week for a place where you can arbitrary push code into production and see what happens IS ALWAYS going to be more fun and rewarding than sitting in a team meeting reviewing the wording on BRDs for 20 hours a week.
      - deleted 4y ago
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      - yafbum 4y ago
yongjik 4y ago
> Younger, cheaper people who have strong ideas of how to fix Twitter and would actually try to push these ideas. That's... horrifying, to be honest. Imagine the kind of young, cheap, starry-eyed people who think they know how to fix Twitter. Now, imagine a subgroup of these people who look at Musk's antics and decide "Oh this is the kind of company I'd love to work for." Well, at least the eventual Netflix documentary is going to be legendary (assuming Netflix survives until then).
- rektide 4y ago
  the word I think we might be searching for is predatory. take people with no experience, no peers left to tell them better, and construct a complete new reality bubble with no continuity & no lessons of the past remaining. do what thou wilt with them.
colanderman 4y ago
> I think people might be missing the point here. Elon probably wants higher turnover. It certainly is. But this is a shitty and stupid way to go about it. You ruin the lives and health of those who can't afford to give you the finger, for no actual benefit to anyone. (Say... they have family who needs their paycheck. Or they're on an H-1B.) Of the remainder, you chase away everyone who is competent and confident enough to work elsewhere. These actions prima facie render one a bully and an idiot. All because Musk has a point to prove and wants to do it ASAP out of his own vanity.
- galaxyLogic 4y ago
  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/elon-musk-has-turned-twitter-into-a-clown-show-in-a-matter-of-days/ar-AA13EMP9?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=0aafa6f7d039427c97a6a7a050f1bea4&rc=1&fbclid=IwAR2fCDA0evcLvdyfiNYR7N2gIgd9DbunRFyNVDhD6lJxsdRB0qsaUBLHBNE https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/elon-musk-has-turn...

mindcrime 4y ago

These are very desirable jobs. s/are/were

legitster 4y ago
I understand your point, but if he even gets a fraction of the talent they have to turn down at SpaceX or Tesla he'll do just fine.
- blaser-waffle 4y ago
  Still a lot of Musk fanboys. And it's still a large, complex, big-name Tech company; experience with working on problems at that scale could open doors later, regardless of who is calling the shots at the top.
s1artibartfast 4y ago
There are lots of hungry developers around that world that would kill to work 12/7 and take home 200k USD

galaxyLogic 4y ago

If that is such a great idea then why didn't the earlier owners think of it? They are experienced business-people as well I would think. Were they just dumb? Or is this just the ego of Musk trying to generate the maximum of mentions of himself in the media?

gort19 4y ago

Hamuko 4y ago

>People would bend over backwards to work at Twitter. Sure, I'd love to work in a company with the guy that couldn't really decide whether or not he wants to go through the agreement he signed, carried toilet furniture in as his first job as the CEO and then is threatening to fire huge amounts of the current employees. I mean, what could possible go wrong?

legitster 4y ago
I know you are trying to be flip here, but I can almost guarantee you that their number of job applicants has probably exploded as a result of these shenanigans.
- ryanwaggoner 4y ago
  I seriously doubt that their volume of qualified applicants has exploded. Working at Twitter just isn’t competitive anymore, in terms of comp, WLB, and basic human decency. Unless he’s going to start paying people twice as much, most good engineers will go elsewhere. Maybe he can get away with it for something like self driving cars or rockets, but you want me to work overtime under the threat of a layoff for below market wages for a social network? Laughable.

systemvoltage 4y ago

I don't see any problem here, those who don't want to do this are more than welcome to leave. You can fire your employer, instantly. This isn't slavery. There are already examples of his companies: SpaceX and Tesla. People are willingly rallying behind his vision and are being compensated for that through prestige/stock/pride/whatever. If it was a minimum wage job, I’d have issues with this. But, these employees have $300k TC and have plenty of buffer. They had 6 months of heads-up to leave.

Bubble_Pop_22 4y ago

> These are very desirable jobs. People would bend over backwards to work at Twitter. Every sane person I talk to has the opinion that there are not enough money in the world to deal with an asshole like Musk. Time change but history repeats itself . It’s always right wing nuts and generally people who fall for cults who end up in the bunker where they discover that the person whom they thought was god , in reality just a human

legitster 4y ago
> Every sane person I talk to has the opinion that there are not enough money in the world to deal with an asshole like Musk. Yes. To the people you and I talk to. But if you talk to a 4th year computer science student at Cal Tech who is already putting in 90 hours of work a week for professors he hates, Twitter just popped on their radar.
- ryanwaggoner 4y ago
  Based on what? Why wouldn’t that student go work somewhere with great WLB, more pay, and less stress? What does Musk’s Twitter have to offer?
  - legitster 4y ago
    I won't speak for others but I didn't give a crap about WLB in my 20s. Or job security. I didn't have to be in school anymore! If the job was fun and you got to work someplace cool that's just gravy - I was more than happy to cut into my video game time. But even to this day, working 60 hours a week for a place where you can arbitrary push code into production and see what happens IS ALWAYS going to be more fun and rewarding than sitting in a team meeting reviewing the wording on BRDs for 20 hours a week.
    - deleted 4y ago
      [deleted]
    - yafbum 4y ago

yongjik 4y ago

> Younger, cheaper people who have strong ideas of how to fix Twitter and would actually try to push these ideas. That's... horrifying, to be honest. Imagine the kind of young, cheap, starry-eyed people who think they know how to fix Twitter. Now, imagine a subgroup of these people who look at Musk's antics and decide "Oh this is the kind of company I'd love to work for." Well, at least the eventual Netflix documentary is going to be legendary (assuming Netflix survives until then).

rektide 4y ago
the word I think we might be searching for is predatory. take people with no experience, no peers left to tell them better, and construct a complete new reality bubble with no continuity & no lessons of the past remaining. do what thou wilt with them.

colanderman 4y ago

> I think people might be missing the point here. Elon probably wants higher turnover. It certainly is. But this is a shitty and stupid way to go about it. You ruin the lives and health of those who can't afford to give you the finger, for no actual benefit to anyone. (Say... they have family who needs their paycheck. Or they're on an H-1B.) Of the remainder, you chase away everyone who is competent and confident enough to work elsewhere. These actions prima facie render one a bully and an idiot. All because Musk has a point to prove and wants to do it ASAP out of his own vanity.

galaxyLogic 4y ago
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/elon-musk-has-turned-twitter-into-a-clown-show-in-a-matter-of-days/ar-AA13EMP9?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=0aafa6f7d039427c97a6a7a050f1bea4&rc=1&fbclid=IwAR2fCDA0evcLvdyfiNYR7N2gIgd9DbunRFyNVDhD6lJxsdRB0qsaUBLHBNE https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/elon-musk-has-turn...