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Windows is a general computing OS. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that it's not. Even in the article it states that WSL2 seemed to run fine. The

Windows is a general computing OS. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that it's not. Even in the article it states that WSL2 seemed to run fine. The issue is if the DevKit is intended for any and everything. My point is that they never were. Were the original iPhone dev kits set up to easily run Windows Mobile? Are car devkits that can accomodate Apple Car Play or Android Auto, easily able to run their Windows equivalent? All these kits have platforms in mind when building them and are tested to support them. Anything above and beyond is use at your own risk.

bayindirh 4y ago
All the dev kits you point are not dev kits for general purpose computing devices. So, the point is moot. If Windows is a general computing OS, the hardware is also general computing hardware. If the hardware is not intended to be used for general computing, then the thing running on it is not a general computing OS, but just a firmware to fulfill some tasks. My argument is accepting that "Microsoft Dev Kit" is built to run a specific piece of software brings us to a slippery slope that any and every Windows certified system is also won't be a general computing hardware from now on, esp. on ARM platform. Hence we can see that Dev Kit 2023 is the first step of locking down the platform for once and for all. If we see the platform as a general computing platform, and Windows as a general computing OS, then we shouldn't get offended by the effort to run Linux or other OS on it, and similarly we shouldn't get offended by the request. WSL is just a virtualization platform. Accepting that WSL2 works fine also brings us to the slippery slope that future hardware doesn't need to support Linux on bare metal, because we have already have WSL2. What happens when (not if, but when) the 3rd party CA expires/gets discontinued or Microsoft discontinues (or intentionally breaks) WSL2 or both to cripple or block Linux from running on bare metal on consumer devices? Will we run x86 servers at home to run Linux, then? I don't believe that Microsoft envisions a future where Windows capable platforms have the ability boot anything other than Windows. It'll be a firmware in the proverbial sense, not an OS, because we won't have a general computing platform which can run any OS which understands that hardware.
- kenjackson 4y ago
  The HW is intended for and can be used for general purpose computing. I think you seem to think that for something to be general purpose it has to be able to run everything. I've never heard that definition before and honestly, if that's the case then there is no general purpose computing HW in existence. The standard definition is that it can run, in a reasonable way, most consumer/productivity workloads. It's not about saying "This HW doesn't run Linux" or "It doesn't run Adobe Premiere 12.2". I think you simply want to run other OSes on a device. That's a fine thing to want, but I think you're conflating that desire with other concepts.

bayindirh 4y ago

All the dev kits you point are not dev kits for general purpose computing devices. So, the point is moot. If Windows is a general computing OS, the hardware is also general computing hardware. If the hardware is not intended to be used for general computing, then the thing running on it is not a general computing OS, but just a firmware to fulfill some tasks. My argument is accepting that "Microsoft Dev Kit" is built to run a specific piece of software brings us to a slippery slope that any and every Windows certified system is also won't be a general computing hardware from now on, esp. on ARM platform. Hence we can see that Dev Kit 2023 is the first step of locking down the platform for once and for all. If we see the platform as a general computing platform, and Windows as a general computing OS, then we shouldn't get offended by the effort to run Linux or other OS on it, and similarly we shouldn't get offended by the request. WSL is just a virtualization platform. Accepting that WSL2 works fine also brings us to the slippery slope that future hardware doesn't need to support Linux on bare metal, because we have already have WSL2. What happens when (not if, but when) the 3rd party CA expires/gets discontinued or Microsoft discontinues (or intentionally breaks) WSL2 or both to cripple or block Linux from running on bare metal on consumer devices? Will we run x86 servers at home to run Linux, then? I don't believe that Microsoft envisions a future where Windows capable platforms have the ability boot anything other than Windows. It'll be a firmware in the proverbial sense, not an OS, because we won't have a general computing platform which can run any OS which understands that hardware.

kenjackson 4y ago
The HW is intended for and can be used for general purpose computing. I think you seem to think that for something to be general purpose it has to be able to run everything. I've never heard that definition before and honestly, if that's the case then there is no general purpose computing HW in existence. The standard definition is that it can run, in a reasonable way, most consumer/productivity workloads. It's not about saying "This HW doesn't run Linux" or "It doesn't run Adobe Premiere 12.2". I think you simply want to run other OSes on a device. That's a fine thing to want, but I think you're conflating that desire with other concepts.