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The fact that if I buy a 64 GB iPhone, then I have to dedicate half of my 128 GB Macbook Pro's SSD just to keep a duplicate of the media on the iPhone i don't

by there 15y ago

The fact that if I buy a 64 GB iPhone, then I have to dedicate half of my 128 GB Macbook Pro's SSD just to keep a duplicate of the media on the iPhone i don't understand, are you really complaining that there's a 64gb iphone? compared to the 32gb that comes with the galaxy nexus or the measly non-expandable 16gb that came with the nexus s? you can use icloud to store all of your media on apple's servers if you want, you don't ever have to sync it to a computer. that I only use on the phone you never play music on your computer? conversely, try actually synching music from a computer to an android phone. how do you do it? you need some 3rd party apps and none of the solutions are as seamless as how itunes does it with wifi sync to an iphone (i say that as someone that has had many android phones and written android mp3 synching utilities).

ypcx 15y ago
No, I'm not complaining about the 64 GB, that's a good thing. What I meant is that the only way to put media on iPhone is iTunes on my Mac with 100% image of the media, which takes precious SSD space. I wasn't up to date with the iCloud, I'm still running 3GS with iOS 3 (jailbroken with probably more functionality than iOS 5), so that's good to know. Although I'm not sure I want Apple to know (and by definition, sell) the information about all my media, by storing it to iCloud. Btw. the problem is not to get media to iPhone, I can do that via SCP, the problem is getting them included in the iTunes library on the phone, so that they can be played "natively" using the iPod app. On Android, there's plenty of ways to do this, AFAIK.
- protomyth 15y ago
  I have a pretty big media collection and 512GB drive on my laptop, so I keep my iTunes library on a external drive. This allows me to have it on a RAID.
- shinratdr 15y ago
  This is a ridiculous complaint. Transferring 64GB of music to an iOS device and then regaining that space is quite simple, and about one or two steps more than the equivalent action with an Android device. Check the little box in iTunes that says "Manually manage music and videos". Drag your 64GB of music into iTunes. Drag the music from the iTunes library to your iOS device in the sidebar. Delete the entries from iTunes, delete the music from your SSD. Done and done. You seem to believe the media has to exist in perpetuity on the computer the iOS device is synced to. This is not the case, and has never been for either traditional iPods or iOS devices. iPods and iOS devices are built on the sync model and don't use regular mass storage, so you need to use iTunes to interact with them. This has upsides and downsides, but if you wish to simply drag music to the device and then delete it from the source you can definitely do that with an iOS device. On an Android device, you can download 64GB of music from the device and get it into the media player, but nobody is going to actually do that. Also, plenty of people carry Android devices and iPod touches as media players so I don't think this aspect is enough to make the Android media player a convincing sell over the iOS one. IMO the fact that Android uses a Linux filesystem and therefore forces me to use the Android File Transfer Utility on my Mac to copy anything to the device is 1000x more annoying than any issues I've encountered with iTunes.
mrich 15y ago
Syncing music (in fact, any file) has to be the easiest thing on Android: 1) plug in via USB 2) copy files 3) unplug I do not want to install any software to do syncs, so this is the way I want it to be. What value could syncing software add? Not much except maybe if you have many duplicates in your music collection. File system access via USB will work on any computer with a USB port.
- there 15y ago
  File system access via USB will work on any computer with a USB port. except when using the galaxy nexus on a mac. http://www.theverge.com/android/2011/11/22/2579691/galaxy-nexus-usb-mass-storage-mtp http://www.theverge.com/android/2011/11/22/2579691/galaxy-ne...
  - jrockway 15y ago
    It's not a bad decision on Samsung's part, though. USB mass storage sucks because the computer and the phone can't use the storage at the same time. MTP is a standardized protocol for handling this sort of situation cleanly, and so it doesn't seem like a bad choice to use it. Also, it's hard to find ext3 drivers for Windows and OS X, so mass storage is rarely what users want anyway.
jrockway 15y ago
i don't understand, are you really complaining that there's a 64gb iphone? compared to the 32gb that comes with the galaxy nexus or the measly non-expandable 16gb that came with the nexus s? you can use icloud to store all of your media on apple's servers if you want, you don't ever have to sync it to a computer. He's complaining about how iTunes works. No iTunes, no iPhone. Also, you can backup Android applications to an SD card very easily. A 16GB MicroSD card, probably enough for many people's needs, is only $15 these days. Google also offers iCloud like syncing, and have for a longer time than Apple. And, you have a choice of cloud providers; use either Amazon or Google to store your music, if you're in to that sort of thing. try actually synching music from a computer to an android phone I use rsync. You can also use cp. cp is included in the default install of pretty much every real OS around these days, so you can copy music to your phone without installing any software. Amazing, isn't it...
- there 15y ago
  He's complaining about how iTunes works. No iTunes, no iPhone. Also, you can backup Android applications to an SD card very easily. A 16GB MicroSD card, probably enough for many people's needs, is only $15 these days. except the galaxy nexus has no microsd card expansion, just like the nexus s.
  - jrockway 15y ago
    That's dumb. My advice is to wait a month and buy $version + 1.

by there 15y ago

ypcx 15y ago

No, I'm not complaining about the 64 GB, that's a good thing. What I meant is that the only way to put media on iPhone is iTunes on my Mac with 100% image of the media, which takes precious SSD space. I wasn't up to date with the iCloud, I'm still running 3GS with iOS 3 (jailbroken with probably more functionality than iOS 5), so that's good to know. Although I'm not sure I want Apple to know (and by definition, sell) the information about all my media, by storing it to iCloud. Btw. the problem is not to get media to iPhone, I can do that via SCP, the problem is getting them included in the iTunes library on the phone, so that they can be played "natively" using the iPod app. On Android, there's plenty of ways to do this, AFAIK.

protomyth 15y ago
I have a pretty big media collection and 512GB drive on my laptop, so I keep my iTunes library on a external drive. This allows me to have it on a RAID.
shinratdr 15y ago
This is a ridiculous complaint. Transferring 64GB of music to an iOS device and then regaining that space is quite simple, and about one or two steps more than the equivalent action with an Android device. Check the little box in iTunes that says "Manually manage music and videos". Drag your 64GB of music into iTunes. Drag the music from the iTunes library to your iOS device in the sidebar. Delete the entries from iTunes, delete the music from your SSD. Done and done. You seem to believe the media has to exist in perpetuity on the computer the iOS device is synced to. This is not the case, and has never been for either traditional iPods or iOS devices. iPods and iOS devices are built on the sync model and don't use regular mass storage, so you need to use iTunes to interact with them. This has upsides and downsides, but if you wish to simply drag music to the device and then delete it from the source you can definitely do that with an iOS device. On an Android device, you can download 64GB of music from the device and get it into the media player, but nobody is going to actually do that. Also, plenty of people carry Android devices and iPod touches as media players so I don't think this aspect is enough to make the Android media player a convincing sell over the iOS one. IMO the fact that Android uses a Linux filesystem and therefore forces me to use the Android File Transfer Utility on my Mac to copy anything to the device is 1000x more annoying than any issues I've encountered with iTunes.

mrich 15y ago

Syncing music (in fact, any file) has to be the easiest thing on Android: 1) plug in via USB 2) copy files 3) unplug I do not want to install any software to do syncs, so this is the way I want it to be. What value could syncing software add? Not much except maybe if you have many duplicates in your music collection. File system access via USB will work on any computer with a USB port.

there 15y ago
File system access via USB will work on any computer with a USB port. except when using the galaxy nexus on a mac. http://www.theverge.com/android/2011/11/22/2579691/galaxy-nexus-usb-mass-storage-mtp http://www.theverge.com/android/2011/11/22/2579691/galaxy-ne...
- jrockway 15y ago
  It's not a bad decision on Samsung's part, though. USB mass storage sucks because the computer and the phone can't use the storage at the same time. MTP is a standardized protocol for handling this sort of situation cleanly, and so it doesn't seem like a bad choice to use it. Also, it's hard to find ext3 drivers for Windows and OS X, so mass storage is rarely what users want anyway.

jrockway 15y ago

i don't understand, are you really complaining that there's a 64gb iphone? compared to the 32gb that comes with the galaxy nexus or the measly non-expandable 16gb that came with the nexus s? you can use icloud to store all of your media on apple's servers if you want, you don't ever have to sync it to a computer. He's complaining about how iTunes works. No iTunes, no iPhone. Also, you can backup Android applications to an SD card very easily. A 16GB MicroSD card, probably enough for many people's needs, is only $15 these days. Google also offers iCloud like syncing, and have for a longer time than Apple. And, you have a choice of cloud providers; use either Amazon or Google to store your music, if you're in to that sort of thing. try actually synching music from a computer to an android phone I use rsync. You can also use cp. cp is included in the default install of pretty much every real OS around these days, so you can copy music to your phone without installing any software. Amazing, isn't it...

there 15y ago
He's complaining about how iTunes works. No iTunes, no iPhone. Also, you can backup Android applications to an SD card very easily. A 16GB MicroSD card, probably enough for many people's needs, is only $15 these days. except the galaxy nexus has no microsd card expansion, just like the nexus s.
- jrockway 15y ago
  That's dumb. My advice is to wait a month and buy $version + 1.